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By Lucky Gold
Going directly to the hell
Alexis Tsipras, head of Syriza, Greece’s extreme left-wing political party, appeared on Amanpour Wednesday.
Speaking from Athens, where he currently leads in the presidential polls, Mr. Tsipras responded to German Chancellor Merkel’s ultimatum – either Greece seeks economic reform and embraces austerity, or it will be shown the door of the European Union.
“I don’t know what Madame Merkel wants to do but I know what we want to do,” said Tsipras. “We don’t want outside the Eurozone. But we believe that Madame Merkel put the euro and the Eurozone in big danger by keeping these austerity measures.”
He added, “We want to change the austerity measures in Greece, also in Europe. We want to do this with the incorporation of other forces and people of Europe, the people who want a big change. Because everybody now understands that with this policy we are going directly to the hell. And we want to change this way.”
Rich people to buy everything with euros
He was asked the consequences if Greece abandons the euro and returns to the drachma as its currency: “If Greece goes back to the drachma, the second day the other countries in Europe will have the same problem,” said Tsipras.
“I really disagree with a lot of the things that Madame Merkel say and do, “ he said gamely speaking in English, “but I agree with what she said before, that if Greece goes out of the euro, the second day the markets will find who will be the second, and the second will be Italy or Spain.”
“Italy has a very big public debt, not like Greece,” said Tsipras. “So you can understand what I was meaning when I was telling you this road goes to hell. We don’t want Europe to be in a catastrophe way. So if we want to save Europe, we need to change these directions.”
But if austerity measures won’t work, what will? Tsipras reiterated that the answer won’t be found with the drachma: “We don’t want a whole catastrophe for the Eurozone and for Europe. At the same time we don’t want to go back to drachmas. Because in Greece we would have the poor people to have drachmas and rich people to buy everything with euros…”
First of all, we will cancel all these austerity measures
He wasn’t just speaking of Greece but of the Eurozone as a whole: “We will do whatever we could do to keep Greece inside the euro and inside Europe…. We are watching this situation in the whole view of Europe and the Eurozone. You can understand what will happen if the Eurozone will be split and the Eurozone will be in this big danger.”
When asked what he would do as president, Tsipras said, “First of all, we will cancel all these austerity measures…. We believe that this crisis is not a Greek crisis but a European crisis. And we will try to find a common solution - about the role of ECB, about the Europe bonds, about the negotiation of the public debt of all the European countries.”
Asked if he could foresee partners in that negotiation, Tsipras was optimistic: “We think we will find partners…. We will have the same problem with Italy, with Spain, with Portugal, and also with Ireland and also in the central Europe.”
He views the recent election of socialist Francois Hollande in France as a positive sign: “We don’t want more austerity measures. We can’t go on with these austerity measures because everything was destroyed in Greece. If the Greek people will keep with this opinion, everything will change in Europe.”
He is pure gold, isnt he?
Ηere we have Alexis letter to Troika:
Samaras and Benny sign mnemonium, and dont take the sign back.
So, now you have mnemonium sign, all OK, no problem.
Please send 18 Billion to Greek bank so we "guarantee" them, give hair cut and shower, to stop look like hippies....
Next month I need 10 billion for salary. Better send money in suitcase.
Not safe use bank.
P.S. Copy this letter in 10 copies and send it to another 10 international organizations (like IMF and ECB) and you will see great luck in your life with lots of happiness.
G.A.P. did and he won billions in the CDR's. His family were millionaires now they are billionaires.
If you dont send the 10 copies you will have bad luck for the next 5 financial quarters.
grecko...that was simply beautiful !!!
It's like Borat but better !!!
grecko – That was very well said.
this was an internet joke and not a true letter here in greece...
Must be very exciting for all of you ) I asumse the children will find their own way of communicating with your parents ) It's very nice to see your family your sisters and you are so alike )Wish you all a MERRY CHRISTMAS enjoy the visit and the holidays.Toril )
Ise ke kolo Aglo-Saxonas..na pas na matheis Ellinika
This isn't going to end well for Greece, Europe, or even us. I think Tsipras misses the point. Greece has fundemental structural issues. If they don't resolve these problems, the money will simply stop coming in.
Greece has structural problems so worsening its case with counterproductive austerity measures is recipe for destruction
well said Ben.
Is austerity the answer to Greece's structural problems. I think just the opposite.
But there will be some satisfaction as the world of "dependents" is left on their own. And by dependents I mean people who can work and take care of themselves, but choose not to.
I dont exactly understand Merill what exactly you mean when saying 'people choose not to work' but I shall make this clear for you and for the rest that read us here.
Greek people are the ones working an average of 10 hrs per day in their majority. I happen to be one of them and unlike my efforts with my university degree and working experience , Im considered underpaid and overtaxed simultaneously .
There is also no such thing as Greeks not paying their taxes because that is something that takes place before us getting our salary , that is, we are and had been always pre-taxed forever.Now thats the case for working class people whether with degrees or not.
Those who avoided being taxed had been the ones that produce wealth and unfortunately had been always backed by our governments.and YES THAT IS OUR FAULT ! People kept voting for parties that supported and tolerated this situation and things got to this point only because we couldnt get to tax those who should have been !
That doesnt mean though that while trying recovering and getting loans from the world and the eurozone we, greeks the same people that had been always legitimate and legal in our country are the ones to be stoned ! Im sure many people in other countries go through the same situation , perhaps not to this extent and believe me its not the people , its always been the leaders and even though its late greeks are looking for new leaders, I dont know whether mr.Tsipras is the one , what I do know is that we deserve a chance to practise democracy the way our ancestors firstly introduced to the planet !
thank you all
Logic from a republican reduced education system. Pure human ignorance. You suggest that given the choice between a good life and a bad life, some choose a bad life. Given a choice between a good meal and hunger, your ignorance infroms you that some choses to go hungry. Where, oh where, do you create these imaginary people that wish only misery and shame in their lives? So far in my life, I have only met people that wanted more, that wanted better and that wanted in abundance. There simply are no people that wish to sit around, not work, and starve.
They find a woman dumb enough to do it for them.
That is true Greece has a lot of problems that need to be resolved. However austerity isn't going to solve them. What you need is to boost the economy first and gradually cut the expenses. The first step would be to reform and enforce the tax code while injecting cash into the country.
It can be done of course but the larger problem is the euro. It is over valued and that has come at a great cost to the economy in Europe as a whole. Taking that into consideration it is hard to see how they could boost the economy first and cut the spending and reform the taxes. With austerity the only certainty is default. More money loaned in the form of a bailout and less money spent = larger debt to pay off and larger recession/depression of the economy. The Germans think what worked for them will work for everyone else but that is a lie. The Euro was and is worth far less than the Mark was. That wasn't the case for southern and eastern Europe.
I agree that the Euro has been overvalued. I also believe that austerity alone will not save Greece or any other country. I also belive that in the end Greece will leave the EU and following that there will be other countries not too far behind. In the end I think the Euro will collapse and countries will go back to their own currencies.
It is the overpaid, vacationing, constantly on coffee/cigarette breaks civil servants and their unions,who are on constant strikes, along with the corrupted officials they supported and put into government positions in order to get their non-jobs in the first place that have destroyed Hellas. Privatise, period.
can anyone ask Alexis Tsipras where are they now? Its it hell already.
If you want to speed on a racetrack you need to check your tires, oil, gas and tune your engine. Mr Tsipras wants to race with bald tires, little fuel, little motor oil and an untuned engine. He first needs to address these issues and then join the race. He is almost 38 years old and lacks experience and leadership skills. What he is great at is making comments on the actions of others. That is all. He gives hope to those who have been hit hard during this crisis in Greece; but the hope he is offering has little to no foundation so to become a reality. I respect his dream but he needs to realize that his dream will be a nightmare for many many Greeks for many many years. Not all Greeks are rich like him and his family to ride out the crisis whether in a Euro or Drachma environment. Austerity measures cannot be cancelled but can be improved on so that people are allowed to breathe financially. That is unfortunately the harsh reality. As Greeks we have no one to blame but ourselves for voting such arrogant and ignorant people into power.
Very well said
I dont know where you are from but I agree 1000000% with you. And I live in Greece.
My heart and mind lives in Greece, but my body in Canada.
Right he lacks the experience as opposed to the older more experienced guys that allowed the countries corruption with taxes to soar and made tons of bad decisions over and over again by taking every penny they could. Sorry but old people in government has ruined the world as a whole. I propose a new law for the world to live by. If you are over 45 you can't be in government. Everyone over that age becomes corrupt an no longer possesses the mental capacity to think outside the box. Sure I agree Tsiperas isn't experienced but he at least recognizes that the current course won't work. Is it really all that bad of an idea to try something different? If things were going well in the world I would think differently but your generation has done nothing but squander the world for your own personal gains while ignoring the realities around you. Just remember that your generation also gave rise to terrorism through your governing choices not the younger generations. So by default your generation is responsible for every person that died by a terrorist act. After all through your choices or just your inability to think outside of the fold you have facilitated the bad decisions in government that gave rise to all the current problems economically and that of radicalism.
Tsipras is not rich. At least the way Papandreou or Samaras is. He studied in Greek "Polyytexneio", not in the U.S. I don't know whether his parents are middle class but he speaks for the people. And that's what counts. And Tsipras is just the leader of his party. There are many educated, well-informed people by his side to help him figure things out. I don't trust Greek politicians, the fact that he lacks experience is a pro, not a con. The "experienced" ones are using their skills to deceive the people, make money for themselves and obey orders from... I wish I knew whom!
You should be aware that Tsipras' parents own a big construction company and his parents have taken advantage of the corrupted political system to make money during the past 40 years including the years of dictatorship in Greece. His studies in Polytechnio concerned mainly demonstrations, riots and occupations of the univesity's buildings. The most supporters of Tsipras are public servants and union leaders who don't wish to loose their privileges.
GG06 - Replace name with Obama, and you've told our story also. Well stated.
Great Tsipras...keep up with the good work
Maybe this ant is delusional? Perhaps it thinks that if it stamps one of its left feet hard enough, the German elephant will get tremble? Amazing how these debt drunks think that just another little nip will get them financially sober? Or maybe they are just parasites believe they have the right to live off other people's money like a leech? Now that brain-deal lazy politicians have made it a habit to pay people for doing absolutely nothing, I guess everybody thinks they have a right to the same privelage
By the way you are talking for people you never met or live with i can say that you live like a leech and feel proud of...
Suggested reading from a debt drunk – http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/world-affairs/2012/05/exploding-myth-feckless-lazy-greeks
Thank you and have a good day.
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He's a laughing stock in Europe (he should have also worked more on his English language skills before hijacking the intl media, if you ask me!) His obsession of leftist grandure is autistic and dangerous for the country and the people of Greece.
He lacks the strategy, the arguments and the necessary skills quite frankly.
The fact that he is younger than the other muppets running the political scene in Greece for the past 30 odd years, makes him more of a liability, since he has no plan whatsoever and has resisted any sort of change or reform in the country since day one .
He's a power-crazy idiot and a very dangerous one.
He speaks English like most people in Greece. What is wrong with that? Why does a Greek/ French/ SPanish/ no matter which language speaker be fluent in English to present their opinions? I have no problem with that. Ex Greek prime minister had English as his mother tongue and messed up everything. If only it were the language the problem...
I respectfully disagree. Well articulated arguments make big difference if one wants to be listened to and respected in those ferocious capitalist circles.
Or else, he should save himself the embarassment by hiring a professional interpreter. No harm in that.
I don't care much about "average" leaders, ideas or results any more.
"Outstanding" is what we all need to aim for.
And outstanding, Tsipras is certainly not...
(over and out...)
Your comments pretty much sum it all up. How in the world did this man get as many votes as he did! The alarming fact that he has soo much support makes Greece look like a laughing stock along with him! He lacks any sound plan to counter austerity or to mitigate the financial and social erosion of the country. His ideas (that's all he has) are idealistic fantasies- a luxury Greece cannot afford. As painful as the austerity measures have been, the alternative is much graver- much more than the Greeks want to accept.
So, ok. Let's cease all bailout loans and EU negotiated initiatives. That way, Greece will instantly return back to the glory days and everything will be just fine. We will continue to blame Europe for our mess (at the same time we want to stay in Europe-??). In the meantime, we will continue to publicly condemn Merkel for upsetting us with the grim reality of our financial situation. If we follow this fantasy, we will for sure be victorious!!!
I am just stunned. This man will destroy Greece.
why all this talking and problems about Greece ?Lets bomb them like we do in other countries.it is more chipper.Problem solved.
then again the markets have been living in a fantasy for years believing that they would get their money back someday. tsipras is trying the same tactics, but in the end his bluff might just get merkel to give in on some points if only to save the probable major collapse that will surely follow. but I must say that in all the long posts there is a lot of positive things from all 'sides'.
If they are going to "hell" with austerity then they are going to hell without it as well. I predict that savings accounts will lose 30-50% of their value before this year ends. That is why so much money has been transferred into other currencies and assets besides the Euro in Greece. These runners plan to buy back into their own currencies after the disaster times end.
Is it me, or is this guy playing Merkel's game?
Merkel says we want Greece in the euro, but don't blame us if you get kicked off. You have to meet the targets we set.
Tsipras says we want Greece in the euro, but dont' blame us if we get kicked off. The targets you set are nuts.
Well played Tsipras, I guess.
Hey, CNN, where's the story about "the largest corruption scandal in Czech history"? [Well, that's how the Czech news describes it.]
Shouldn't the rest of Europe see how Czech politicians handle EU money?
Please change the " extreme left party " !!
The huge figure for Ireland is lrgaely the result of a substantial international financial services centre in Dublin and has little relevance to the domestic economy. An actual external debt figure of more than 13 times GDP (16 times GNP) is only an absurdity.
The problem with Greece is that the problem is not local, but systemic and global. The global bubble is bound to burst in its weakest point. And the vultures which roam the markets will not stop there. If it wasn't global, why on earth would anyone care about an economy amounting to 1% of the GDP of the EU? Because everyone is in the same sinking boat, the unregulated corrupt GREEDY markets which go hand in hand with the corrupt politics.
P.S.: Alexis, next time ask for a translator. It's ok.
too much too little too late... as Greece begins to fall apart...thanx to selfishness arrogance and greed(a worldwide condition) . we will see our own futures, unless some group (not individual anymore) can come to their senses about the overall human condition and do something that reflects intelligence. but the wealthy will just sit back and wait until the humanoids have all destroyed each other,,, then take all they can to feed their reptilian needs.
Best response Ive read today. ROFL @ "feed their reptilian needs." So true indeed. How you said it though was classic.
You people dont understand that it was Merkel and the political and financial elites of EU and US that brought this situation to Greece. The country has many structural problems but the memorandum finished it off. The fiscal plan devised by IMF, ECB and the EU was in reality an experiment. Can a modern european society be put under such harsh measures and continue not to react? The answer is no and that is where mrs Merkel comes into the picture. The fiscal plan was implemented in Greece by the socialist party leaving the conservative party with a light anti-memorandum strategy. Mrs Merkel insisted that the conservative party signs the memorandum as well leaving the country with no alternative voice and thus giving great influence to the left and mr Tsipras... What can one say of this move?
If they really wanted to avoid this situation for Greece and the EU, they wouldnt have dealt the greek political system with such arrogance. It was only natural that the people reacted...
The Greek vote for Syriza was a vote of resistance against the unrestrained capitalism and the sovereignty of money gambling. It was not a conscious left vote. People can no more endure politics that crush their lives and any vision for the future. And if politicians continue to serve this system, not only Greece but the whole world "will go to hell". Of course, Greece has very serious structural problems and they need to be resolved, but this is another matter...Personally, I don't mind if Tsipras "needs to improve his English". We have already experienced the "capabilities" of the "perfect English talking leaders" like Papandreou and Papakostandinou, and we don't want more of that...
Is anybody listening?...
Here is a link to a globally respected, leading economist, Paul Krugman, on the Charlie Rose show April 30th- AGREEING WITH Tsipras!
The U.S. Administration (including Congress and the Senate), as well as foreign leaders, have to take a few minutes to listen to him, and, the globally respected Thomas L. Friedman...press the reset button...and save the world from financial catastrophes- QUICKLY! PLEASE!
There is nothing "extreme" about an organization such as Syriza that rejects a program of social and economic destruction which is in every sense extreme – and calls for negotiation. Mainstream political choices and debates have become so narrow over the years of pro-market consensus that the reappearance of genuine alternatives is apparently too shocking to absorb.
Got news for ya pal. Greece is already in hell. Only one way to go but up.
this is the beauty of euro politics (its 5 of the one and 10 of the other) Hollande is anti austerity and is the official Socialist party, Greek Syriza is anti austerity and is branded, Radical Left. Whats the difference the one is with olive oil and the other one is with Dijon mustard is that the difference?.
If someone lives in South Europe knows that Alexis Tsipras's and Oland's opinion is the future of Euro...
Mr. Tsipras talks like an owner and adwiser of a big, big bank.
But the bank is not in Greece.
How can we trust Greece, because it has never paid it's debts since the the beginning of the 1800-century????
Every 30-40 years others have paid their living-debts.
Why must Europe pay for their living and corruption?
Quote: "has never paid it's debts since the the beginning of the 1800-century????"
Kindly elaborate on that. You seem to disregard the fact that Greece was totally destroyed by 400 yrs of Turkish occupation, two world wars and a civil war. That's right, life in the Balkans and the Mediterannean has never been easy.
The German industrial miracle was based on US and European loans never paid back as well as on the fact that no reparations were paid after WW2 in return for the attrocities commited against the Greek people.
Where was Finland during that time?
So, before you utter general, self-righteous comments like that, kindly do us all a favour and open a book or two on European history. This will solve all your questions about European politics and the root of all evil.
A friendly correction. The Ottoman Empire occupied Greece for over 500 years... and in some areas even more. We all use the fall of Constantinople (1453), but the harsh reality is that there were areas outside Constantinople that had fallen under Ottoman rule many years before.
Drachma all the way and then you can print as much money as you want and pay off all of your debt. Why are you so dependent on @#%@$ Euro - I don't understand.
Because even if we go back to drachmas, all the country's debt will still be in euros.
Also, our services and property, land, houses will be devalued and eventually boughout off by the wealthy north europeans for a slice of bread. Just like in the colonies of the previous centuries...
Whoever thinks this is a good alternative, should really evaluate their motives.
Please issue a correction on the article written by Gold.
Mr Tsipras is running for Prime Minister and not for President.
Greece already has a President and his name is Karolos Papoulias.
..will send Greece to hell?
They are there already. And the rest is tried of paying for them.
i wonder where you are from and who is paying for you?! :)
Let's get some facts straight, shall we?
Most countries of the 1st world rely on debt, including the States, UK, France, etc.
However, countries such as the UK and the States can print off as much currency as they want concealing the fact
this money does not stand for anything. It's just paper with ink.
This cannot be done in the Eurozone, as the money is controlled by the European central bank and a bunch of NON ELECTED Eurocrats.
Issuing loans to countries in need is a highly profitable endevour for the lenders. In Greece's case, it is mostly the German banks who have more than made a profit out of the Greek debt.
The fact that the German government presents this business transaction to their country's tax payers as a "good hearted financial rescue", this does not mean that Germany does not make a huge profit out of this transaction.
Money makes the world go round and if one's mess is another's money making machine, then all the merrier for the lending party.
Don't take my word for it, however, ask someone who knows enough economics to link the dots for ya!
Thanks for taking the time to diusscs this, I feel strongly about it and love learning more on this topic. If possible, as you gain expertise, would you mind updating your blog with more information? It is extremely helpful for me.
I have friends from there. They tell me officials are extremely lazy and greedy. The retirement age used to be extremely low.
The Greeks need to take the EU proposals or they should leave and stop holding everyone back.
Yah, you have friends from there. That surely makes you an expert (not!)
The British answer is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GNuLPUJaUzc
I don't know, and I doubt anyone knows what the future is for Greece, or the future is for Spain or Ireland or Itally or France or you name it.
What the poor idiots who voted for Tsipras don't realize, is that he was sponsored and groomed by the Capitalist forces of Darkness to bring Greece to bankruptcy and BACK to the drachma, so the said forces of Darkness can buy ALL the Greek islands at bargain prices! And the Greek industry (what's left of it, anyway!).
IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY!! TSIPRAS HAS SOLD HIS SOUL TO THE CAPITAL (SORRY, KAPITAL!)...
Mmm...I was joking, but that's what it'll come to, in the end!
Typical socialist. "If you don't pay my bills we will all go to hell." Why do socialists always want capitalists to pay their bills.
Once Alexis defaults on the Greek loans anyone who lends them money again deserves to go to hell with him.
Haha! good one, and so right!
don't be confused.....most people in greece DON'T speak english this way.....he just doesn't know this language well....!!!and please stop saying that we're hungry here in greece.....the situation is not that bad for everyone....we still eat quite well........but yes there are many people who don't have a house....
"If Greece destroyed, provided an olive, a vine and a boat to start from scratch." – Odysseus Elytis
Greece should be allowed to exit the EU gradually instead of suddenly. This extreme change causing fright to its citizens, and lives the Government with no tools to built democracy, and economy.
Now is a good chance for Greece to go back to the drachma. Borrowing and more Austherity is not a system to govern a country? It is putting the country more into debt because Greece does not have the industries to support the country economically and to pay its debts. Most of its major industries left for Asia. The Austherity is not only affect Greece
but is neighbors too who have to pay. It is not fare. To create a better economy around the world, eliminate NAFTA.
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