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Amanpour and Ambassador Cui also spoke about Russian President Putin's visit to China, the American pivot to Asia, and China's territorial disputes. You can see that portion of the interview here.
A day after the United States announced indictments against five members of the Chinese military, China’s ambassador to the U.S. accused America of hypocrisy in an exclusive interview with CNN’s Christiane Amanpour.
“It’s really amazing to see that some people still believe they have moral high ground and credibility to accuse others, if we consider the Snowden revelations and so on and so forth,” Cui Tiankai said.
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday accused five Chinese nationals of engaging in commercial espionage, hacking into American businesses including U.S. Steel Corp., Westinghouse, Alcoa, Allegheny Technologies, the United Steel Workers Union, and SolarWorld.
In some instances, Holder said, the hackers stole trade secrets that would have been "particularly beneficial to Chinese companies at the time that they were stolen.”
The United States engages in widespread espionage around the world, but draws a distinction between spying for national security and spying for the advancement of domestic business.
“The fact is China is a victim to such cyberattacks,” Ambassador Cui said.
“I don't know how they can make a distinction between such activities. How do they explain the attacks on Chinese companies, universities, and even individuals? Is that for national defense? Or is that for other purposes?”
The Ambassador urged dialogue on the issue, but said that would be not possible until the U.S. reversed its “wrong decision” on issuing the indictment.
Soon after Chinese President Xi Jinping took office last year, he and U.S. President Barack Obama held a landmark one-on-one summit in California.
But ominously, Ambassador Cui suggested this latest U.S. move could jeopardize the whole relationship.
“We have to have corresponding efforts by the United States. China itself cannot guarantee that the relations will move on the right tracks. It requires efforts by both sides.”
The United States’ reason for issuing the indictment at this time is unclear. The five people in question work for China’s military and live in that country; it is doubtful America would ever actually detain them.
“I don’t know why the United States made such a decision,” Ambassador Cui said.
Last April, the United States and China set up a cybersecurity working group to address the issue.
“The very basis for the working group is the commitment of all sides to work to address these measures, to address these issues for cooperation and dialogue,” Cui said. “And now they are taking unilateral action. They really undermine the very basis of the working group.”
China, he told Amanpour, is not only denying America’s “false charges,” but it is demanding an account of the U.S.’s own cyberespionage activities.
“We also have a long list over very good and well-known Chinese companies that have been attacked by such activities, originating from the United States.”
“So I think it would be constructive and practical for the two governments to work together on these issues, to address these issues together – not to exchange accusations like this.”
You can see the full transcript of Amanpour's conversation with Ambassador Cui here.
"The United States engages in widespread espionage around the world, but draws a distinction between spying for national security and spying for the advancement of domestic business."!!!
ok who's saying that!?
Stupid woman does not know the difference between USA and China is:
USA's hacking is proved, there are millions of evidenecs to prove that NSA has hacked the world.
But USA including FBI can never prove or give the world the clear evidence that China especially Chinese government of Chinese military has hacked USA.
Can you prove it? or can you give the world the evidences or details, or have you as US people ever seen that USA government has given you that?
This is the difference.
What USA does not hacked commercial goals are garbage talking.
And the stupid woman also does not know that
Huawei and ZTE, chinese companies, are world ranking number 1 and 2 in applying patents in many years in a row.
Not MS, Google, or IBM, not Soni, Toyote or canom.
So if USA says Huawei's patents steal those of USA, then the world can not say anything.
If Obama says he does not eat bananas anymore, and his wife also.
The world can also not say anything.
The world can say, shame is the character of USA and its people.
The killed people and say other kill.
They steal others and say others steal them.
But others are patent company number one and two of the world.
Whom they steal.
Quote " ...But USA including FBI can never prove or give the world the clear evidence that China especially Chinese government of Chinese military has hacked USA."
Cyber Security company Mandiant Corp has been shadowing Chinese hackers operating from Unit 61398 for several years. They published extensive evidence of this back in 2013:- http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/20/world/asia/china-unit-61398/
Oh wow. You just have hatred for the United States. No rationale. Just hatred.
I don't hate you back, but I wish that you would work through the reasons for your hatred.
We know China and Russia are hacking, we used to know that the US was hacking but until whistle blowers came forward that is when we have a confirmation. What I'm trying to say is the commies have there own hacking systems you don't have to do rocket science to know that. I'm in Africa but i know that is show show thing.
Go feed you beaarch an you old mama some bananas pale skins...ypu lacking vitamin D....god did not make us = o wad born with lots of it....lift a rock up..tell me what color is a roach..lol..lmaof
Snowden didn't uncover us stealing China's commercial product technology.
EXACTLY. Thank you.
Since my comments were censored and now i can teach you that
Snowden has revealed that NSA has hacked many Chinese national companies
NSA has hacked leaders of many countries, some hacking happened in the process of negotiations.
So you mean leaders of many countries are terrorists?
Angela Merkel is threat to USA?
USA does all these to steal commercial secrets of other countries to its benifits in the negotiation or so.
you are stinky US people.
Don't admit it.
You are ammanpoure.
CIA spying on everything and they created the terrorists with black flags in many regions to make asians and brown and black people live in chaos
this american racist ideology based on the terrorist ideology which called evolution wests and america supported the terrorists like shia khomeini of Iran and the extremists terrorists whom raise the black flags in arab region and africa. CIA also want to destroy Islam by supporting the extremists and the terrorist act in 2001 in U.S.A it just planned by CIA. in 1995 there is a card game spread in markets it's called illuminati card this card talking about the terrorist act in newyork 2001 and the uprisings and there is a thing didn't happen yet i see it in that card i think it's mean the world will be feminine leaders and controlled by hillary clinton.
It is proved that NSA was bugging German Company Communications. Even they didnt leave Ms. Merkel alone. When Mr. Obama was patting Ms. Merkel shoulders, she would have expected him to be bugging her telephone conversation with her husband. What a bunch of American wnkrs??
We all know US is a hacker empire
USA = NSA = hypocrits
I did not know that CNN was a branch of the NSA
Israel and U.S.A and europe are the most professional people in spying
It is easy to throw insults hiding in cyber space. I would say acting like a coward. First look at your own country and then saying anything so that we we can tell you the bad things about your homeland as well.
If the Chinese or other countries have legal disputes over industrial spying then take us to court. There is an international forum for these so called horrible acts. Don't speculate without any solid facts.
That is the difference between you and us.
I support you
No the US make a distinction between surveillance and spying to steal. And spying to steal private companies trade secrets for personal gain and profit. There is a difference.
I think you are still prone to the propaganda crafted by the industrial-media-government complex when your government had lost any credibility in from of the people of the world. That is a sad story.
the big hacker sue another hacker! that's interesting, it's like north Korea said u.s has no human rights
quote a Chinese saying"dog eat dog",it's the perfect comment for this news.
It is an open secret that both the US and Chinese governments have thousands of hackers on their payroll. I don't think the US action will have any impact on the chinese. They will continue in their merry way.
communis china have nothing for steal.Because communist china is stupipid.Communist china want to steal secret for imperial han
Was just gonna paste the same quote!
The only line being drawn by the U.S. is right through its commitment to liberty and civil rights.
and hypocrisy as well......
How can we blatantly accuse others cyber espionage when we have PRISM and NSA spy on almost everybody in this world. Our politicians mush feel like the fools when pointing figures to others.
The difference, is that the US doesn't hack into foreign companies to steal their technology, so they can use it to produce the same products but at a lower cost since they didn't have to spend any money on research and development.
The US spies on just about everybody in the world, just like most other countries have spies in the US. But the US government doesn't use it's assets to steal trade secrets from private companies and give them to US companies. Just google Chinese patent violations and see how much you find. The Chinese have no scruples when it comes to stealing intellectual property.
yo, America, friendly neighbour to the north... Just wondering, do you feel like reigning in your leaders a bit? not overly feeling up to war and such... I mean, I just ate a big poutine, just got a PS4.. and I work. It would be inconvenient. Thanks a bunch
But Obama is DIFFERENT!!!
In ways we are still waiting to see.
Yo Canada, friendly neighbor to the north, we're doing our best to protect everybody in the region–and Europe– and spending our hard-earned money to do it. So does us a favor? If you don't like feeling REALLY secure and being able to enjoy your hard-earned money, quit bad-mouthing us, and start working to understand some of the broader, over-arching reasons for our behaviors.
Oh yes thanks your America very much! but your such" best protect" has been agreed to do from the world or not???Don't pretending that you are very great like a hero, if you feel wronged, so please tell your goverment to cancel such insultting and swindling and reproachful behavior, in fact, the whole world all beg it, I don't know why your goverment still act it like a clown, it is guilty!!!
you think involve in other countries is to protect them? Do you want other countries to station troops in your country?
The statement of China's Ambassador about the deployment of chinese oil rig in vietnames waters is completely untrue. The fact is the location of the rig is 120 miles from costal line of vietnam and well with its EEZ (exclusive economic zone. The islands that he referred to is Paracel or known as Hoang Sa in Vietnam and is wrongly used as an basis for china to insist that the rig is within china's waters. In fact the islands was occupied by china after a short millitary engagement (the sea battle of Paracel islands) with southern Vietnam (the republic of vietnam) in 1974. This islands has been and will be part of vietnam. Furthermore it is China who has been deploying more than 100 ships including millitary and armed vessels. Vietnam only sends its coast guard vessels. China has been in many instances showing its inconsistence, lack of transparency and even contradictions between what they say and what they actually do.
And it is 15 miles from the chinese city Sansha.
And it is also chinese territory.
Internationally it is well known that if the EEZ is overlapped, then this must be negotiated by involved countries.
You are funny. you do know that Sansha was a newly invented/imagined city by China in areas that are in the EEZ of many other countries, except China. China's claims to the islands are imaginary. There were other countries fishing in that zone long before any of the imagined Chinese explorers were even born.
You sir are so brainwashed by your countries propaganda. Try reading other real sources before spouting your state controlled thoughts.
Truth is China has owned South China See for centuries.
Vietnam is Chinese brother, so we do not talk about VN, we will share something with VN later.
But we talk about Phihasodfihapsdf, that weak stupid thug so called "Country of servants".
Do Phispdofhasdpfo know that if they rob chinese territory, China can destroy them with missles in minutes?
are you chinese ?Chinese is number one for stole secret.Chinese is stuppid
If the illegal exploitation was true, I'd say the project was incredibly lucky to not be noticed during the time of construction – but the truth is, both the vietnamese government and the international community kept silence for a long time, and when the issue brought to light, they all changed suddenly into a Justice Bringer, well, I think this is just politics
There is a very basic difference between hacking into peoples coms for security purposes and hacking into company databases. One, worrisome, intrusive and often wrongheaded maybe, is to attempt to identify and forestall gross acts against people. The other is a simple act of theft. I cannot help but be concerned by governmental snooping, but I can see a valid argument for it, I cannot see hacking secret proprietory data as being anything other than theft without any mitigation. The fact that the Chinese government is directly involved in stealing commercial data which is then used by state owned companies means that these indicted Chinese military persons are state sponsored thieves. No contest,
Really? I noticed you didn't include cyber-Trawling (i.e. gathering all info about everything from everyone, include
foreign heads of State), which country IS doing that... ?
If the USA does it... it grants license to everyone to do it, its how the world works, the Racist States of America has no right to criticize anyone about anything.
Call it hacking or whatever, gathering information for security vs. making a quick/easy buck are two ENTIRELY different things.
To hide behind the USA's data gathering is BS.
China's definition of R & D.....Receive & Duplicate
This'll just save them the trouble of actually buying something to reverse engineer it. Cuts out the middle man so to speak.
all countries bs.
You actually believe what you just wrote? You actually believe the USA is hacking just for "security purposes"??
You win the prize today for that one!!!!
a theft is a theft, there is No good or bad theft, especailly in this case..Nerds..
then why isn't holder indicting xi jinping?
does the buck not stop at him?
This "difference" is so lame to the other people of the world and it’s like to say that a peeping tom pervert is better than a petty thief. Please wake up and feel the real worlds, not just your narrow minded American exceptionism view of the world.
To the rest of the people, hacking is hacking is hacking and the America is the big violator and it needs to stop first.
INFORMATION IS POWER! SPYING GIVES THE PERPETRATOR AN ADVANTAGE-BEING ONE OR SEVERAL STEPS AHEAD. WHAT HE DOES WITH THE INFORMATION IS SECONDARY. IF THE INFORMATION SHOWS A LEAD TO A GOLD TREASURE; IT IS UP TO HIM TO IGNORE IT OR TAKE IT FOR SAFE KEEPING. FEW YEARS AGO ONLY FEW COUNTRIES HAD THE POWER TO EXCLUSIVELY SPY ON OTHERS. TODAY IT IS DIFFERENT. WILL THE FUTURE OF DRONES BE THE SAME. IT WOULD INTERESTING WHEN OTHER COUNTRIES START TO USE IT THE WAY WE ARE USING IT OR EVEN WORSE
I guess hacking no matter how, by who and for what purpose, is not acceptable and the question is what do you do about it? Protect the system if you can or go after the abusers? There is no such thing as Moral in this, it's all about self preservation.
USA people are unblievable hypocrites.
All of them.
They killed so many people in the world in the name of peace.
They hacked so many countries in the name of peace.
They brought the world the economic crisis which cause millions of unemployment in europe.
The earth is really feeling shame to have such US people on it.
Your apparent distaste for America seems to stem from jealousy and ignorance – not much fact.
Believe me, you belong in Europe. You belong in a lesser, non – important region where it is easy to sit from a distance and criticize with confidence. At least in America when you order coffee... you get a damn coffee. Not a shot of expresso. Total amatuers.
Such beautiful irony that you can't even spell "amateur."
In the final analysis, if one reads history, United States is preferable to China. Only an idiot will think otherwise.
xin jinping prefers china.
is he a fool?
What! The country, which only has two hundreds years said that? LOL
So the end justifies the means then?
Of course, when chinese had travelled to Africa, America was still not found
Lets not get carried away. We are the world's dominant power so we are bound to flex every now and again. Good American citizens like me at least try to keep that flexing in check. Let me ask you this, if Europe was in power, what would they have done different?
i find nothing wrong with flexing.
is holder's latest flexing smart?
you just hit the point. every country is alike, when it takes the lead!
I found that America really enjoy the leadership. Why don't you just take care of your own citizens? Since American government comes into Asia, people quarrel, people fight, even kill. Why would you think that China will play the hypocrisy card? We do not care about the leadership. We live our lives in our own way. Please just get your hands off.
people kill in the names of peace, security, and/or god.
Quite agree with you, that is why most of terrorist organizations are points a finger at USA
this is real great comments
Cui Tian Kai won christiane completely.
This stinky woman has nothing to say.
The US hacks to locate terrorists. China hacks to steal economic and military secrets. They have much to learn from us and we have very little to learn from them. There lies the difference.
The difference is
The world knows that NSA hacked, the world has all of the evidences and european commitee will hear snowden soon.
But USA including FBI never has opened any clear evidences to prove that China has hacked USA.
US people was brainwashed and they thanks the politic-economic complex.
Comrade Popov, alias EuropeEurope... . Don't be a sour loser. You were turned down when you applied for a visa to emigrate to the US, and now you are bitter. Get over it, loser.
pride comes before the fall.
Thanks for reading from the back of the government-issued cereal box.
The chinese guy is well measured and refined, clearly the us is wrong here. The right thing to do is to interview an American to get their side of the story.
Very well put.
Who cares?! China does it, and so does the US and others.
For CNN, research Echelon Airbus Boing Saudi Arabia
USA spies on everyone....and we all know this via Mr Snowden. We also know that if you were to attack a group one would make sure not to have the ip address traced back to your location – it is like holding the phone forever while the police trace you. China can block sites for the whole internet. I imagine if it wanted to it could stop ip intrusion and if not it would be traced to a small house in Tibet. So we basically know this is lies or stupidity on the US part or the US have been doing a great deal more spying on China than we are aware – kettle really black. The last time this happened Snowden came out. So maybe the government is doing something at the moment to be really guilty about. Anyone who believes this is either stupid or lives in a bird cage.
the u.s. Government should not care about Chinese spies because it is normal to spy on other countries, or have forgotten Edward Snowden many computers invaded by "NSA" are in the same currency.
The difference is that the Chinese were trying to steal "economic and proprietary technology" which would be used by their military and their industry to gain advantage... In the NSA case they were looking for spies and illegal activities...
It is a popular saying, but if it was law throughout the world, respect for the next result in respect to all!
The problem with you is...you believe what you're told.
I believe until someone proves me the opposite
The Chinese Stealth fighter and it's features is a clear example of Chinese hacking of the US/International F-35 Lightning project, stolen from the British partner, this is a fact reported by British intelligence. Only the Chinese government and it's trolls here would lie and deny.
Lord in my country have a saying, lead exchanged does not hurt!
The only piece of NEWS here is that: Mutual dirty laundry is finally being aired out in public.
Clearly, the U.S.-China honeymoon is officially and publically over.
As usual, the USA uses semantics to cover their actions. The "National security" term is been used as wide and broad as needed for their interests, just like the "enhanced interrogation".
As I read the various comments, I'm guessing that about 60% originate in Shanghai, that unit 91638 or whatever it is. You know, the place with all the dead pigs floating down the river. Where the military troublemakers convene . . .
You can tell the type, because there is little discussion of issue without insult. Indeed, the main mien is insult first, and no factual discussion . . .
what facts are you offering?
have you done some spying on all the commentators? or why you can draw conclusion on your "guesses"?
Huh? What's the problem? You don't grasp the idea of free spèech in Shanghai? It's an observation. Whether it is right or wrong is irrelevant. What is important is to know there are manipulators about.
Anyone else notice that whenever CNN finally has to report on something that doesn't jive with what the military industrial complex is trying to sell it's always on a blog like this where the comments are scrutinized and many don't end up appearing while the ones that do appear just sit there with no way to vote up or down so there's no way to get a feel for the general public perception?
Yes I have noticed that and CNN censorship in general does tend to favor status quo. I guess the only thing you can say good about that is FOX must be worse.
US: I wasn't breaking into to your house to steal something... I was just looking to see what was valuable!
That's their logic!
replace "valuable" with "dangerous".
I hope your house have not guns
Everything U.S. does is perfectly right. Anything other countries do is absolutely wrong. U.S. is the ruler of the universe. U.S. is God. Don't you guys get it?
See, it's people like you who simply love to hate the United States.
In the end, you'll learn that, while the United States is far from perfect, when you compare the human rights records of China and Russia, the United States starts to look really good.... But you won't realize this until one of them takes over your country and throws one of your family members in jail, with out trial, to never be seen again.
Until then, I'm sure, you'll continue bashing the United States.
people envy wealth, fearful of power; us is blessed with both.
us flexes its blessings to the world; the world resents.
Yes human right is wonderful in USA?? what about the racial discrimination??? may be you think racial discrimination is relate to society, but can these happend without goverment's agreement and nonfeasance?
Ok, may be human right is the best in USA, but PLEASE NOTE, only in USA, Did USA cencern about otherone's human right when they invade Iraq, Afghan and Pakistan??? Why most of terrorist organizations point fingers at USA??? Do they got waaaay too much free time???
explain more about Guantanamo Bay please.
Too bad this kind of complacency and CNN kind of profit-oriented-entertainment-centered media are killing the US democracy entirely.
Coco claims the US invaded Pakistan, if you call the killing of master terrorist Osama Bin Laden an invasion, you are wrong, it's a tactical strike, they did not stay in Pakistan. Now China invaded and annexed Tibet which has no defense to speak of, that is a fact. It populates Tibet with Chinese and calls Tibetan resistance, terrorist actions against the Chinese. The Chinese military have AK-47's against Chinese monks who have stones, those are the facts the Chinese government and it's trolls cannot deny or lie.
It was only a matter of time before China played the hypocrisy card; I just always assumed it would be over human rights not cyber spying. I always thought that China, after pointing out Gitmo and Guantanamo would remind us that we have over 2,000,000 of our citizens locked up, which is both the highest number of incarcerated and the highest incarceration rate in the world.
us does what it should/must; china responds what it should/must.
this is how people act since adam.
Thanks for pointing that out! As King said: an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Unfortunately, the people and media close eyes to mountain of injustice here (which threatens the core of this society) and always blame China for evrey of our own problem.
Ahhh, yes America. Known around the World for being a bunch of hypocrites.
everyone is a hypocrite.
cnn is so biased against china
what is cctv's bias?
The reality is ,the US is spying to everyone ,but pointing the finger to others!! I think even CNN can not see this.
This article seems to be in favor of China.
Between the US and China, I believe the US accusation is more credible. It has a lot of technology to steal from. How can China be the victim when it has no original technology and invention to offer to the west. Look at the West Philippine Sea, China would like to grab all land and sea even up to the Philippine seashores. That's stealing, disguised as might is right.
what countries do not steal?
US hacking is for worl peace, China hacking is a criminal act.
Its not 'worl peace', its whirled peas.
Do you really believe USA is for world peace??? Do you know most of the war happended currently all because of or relate to USA??? Have you been to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran???Have your country get agreement when you country attack them??? Have ya???
A country which allow people to hold a gun can be peace???Do you dare to stroll the streets in your country at night?? I can say, ordinary people is USA is very kind,but they all believe the world is violence, so they need weapons to defended themself and hurt other ones.
You got your facts wrong, give me the dates the US attacked and invaded Pakistan and Iran and did they have bases in there after they invaded? Go and check your history books if you still read books because you won't find the facts in Chinese propaganda but then of course you are also part of that propaganda machine.
Another staggering home goal from teh hypocrites in Washington- when are they going to realise no one trusts them any more- nor should they?
That could explain China's bans use of Windows 8 on government computers
America is ecoming shamelessly hypocritical. It throws its weight about on the international stage and manipulates international affiars in the name of democracy and so-called international order. More and more conscientious people in the world are coming to see its true color and spitting in its dirty face.
It's courageous for the President to take on the Chinese army with FBI. It's a brand new and very creative approch. It slao helps keeping jobs at FBI at a time when there are no school shooting recently.
One should not condemn others when he himself is making the trouble.
The U.S. should not have made such a mistake making itself look like a joke.
It is a shame.
My grandma used to say: 'two "wrongs" don't make a "right."'
This is a history making event: US captured 5 Chinese soldiers' IP address!
Many Americans on this thread (of which I am one of) are just as brainwashed by our media as China is by their government. Fact is, the US operates one of, if not the largest spy operation in the world. I know many American's think that this is in the pursuit of safety etc... however, hacking, spying and all of the other dodgy things that happen do so on both sides and most of it by definition is wrong. I'm an American, I no fan of China's treatment of a large swath of their people but the US is every bit as much at fault as China, maybe more so.
all countries behave badly...more or less.
there are no angels.
yet countries always tirelessly assert/insist that they are never wrong and other countries, never right.
Of course the U.S. is the largest and worst of them.
Spying on other countries is one of a country's government natural functions and there is nothing right or wrong.
yes, humans are stuck/cursed.
must behave according to our nature, however evil.
China is an enemy to the Western countries, as well as to their neighboors, see what they do with vietnam and others in their territorial disputes. They are an enemy to every other nation in the world, they only care about themselves, they make friends not because of ideology like the USA, but wheter it is at the moment convinient or not to them (hey Russia). USA may suffer from the same selfish behavior, but at least, it shares our values: liberty and justice for all, with every sort of freedom – that is the most important of human rights at my opinion (even more important than life itself, i would die trying to be free but i would not let any regime take away my freedoms), and sometimes yet USA may make one or another alliance because of those values. We should stand next to USA.
After proper corrections in english grammar: China is an enemy to the Western countries, as well as to its neighboors, see what it does with vietnam and others in its territorial disputes. China is an enemy to every other nation in the world, it only cares about itself, it makes friends not because of ideology like the USA, but wheter it is at the moment convinient or not to China (hey Russia). USA may suffer from the same selfish behavior, but at least, it shares our values: liberty and justice for all, with every sort of freedom – that is the most important of human rights at my opinion (even more important than life itself, i would die trying to be free but i would not let any regime take away my freedoms), and sometimes yet USA may make one or another alliance because of those values. We should stand next to USA.
The question is whether or not which country has better values, I mean you can't blame 1.3 billion Chinese people for their governments decisions, no more than you can blame the people in North Korea for their situation. Fact is accusing China of hacking is hypocritical when we are doing the same. I don't suggest that China doesn't have issues, but in fairness managing a disperse country of 1.3 Billion, with 1 Billion or more people living in poverty is a different animal than managing many western countries. Anyway, hacking is hacking and if the US does it to China why wouldn't the Chinese reciprocate?
Leo: I appreciate this, and definitely agree with your words. We are all flawed. But if there is a choice between all flawed nations, I vote that the US is the least flawed. Sure- that's controversial, but I'm sticking to these words.
do you support the lesser flawed preaching to the greater flawed?
China hurt vietnam ? what about the US soliders? They killed how many vietnamese, how many children , now you become kind and justice people? Shameless!!!
Exactly, more than one million Vietnamese people killed by Americans and more than 5000 Chinese sodiers died helping to fight the Americans. I guess as a huge nation, China can forgive the helplessly narcissistic Vietnam.
Amanpour, totally disappointed with your biased report, if you can call this reporting. "China attack....". Seems like it is the US attacking China for hacking, yet the US is the biggest hacker – NSA snooping, Pentagon's own CYBER WARFARE division, over 6000 strong, doing what? Cyber warfare guys don't just go to the office and play video games? They wage cyber wars, lady. Try to be a little even handed in your reporting? This is the administration's political show pandering to domestic scenes – upcoming mid-term election. But this is a dumb one to use against another nation for domestic political expedience – one that the US can not hold the moral high ground. Pick another area to attack the other guy?
Your comment is very good, thoughtful and relevant, if you are a American, your country will become better because of you.
USA seems had planted the seeds of hatred all around the world, may be there are some indeed for pure kind purpose i dont know, but we absolutely don't like it, I don't like USA always poke it's nose into others' business, the goverment should solve the domestic issue first, it it treat the masses very well and w/o doubt, i think the whole world would convince and welcome it, but what a pity, behaviour from USA goverment now just disappointed the world...
I made a reply with no dirty words or excessive oppinions to one of the above posts. May I ask why it does no appear please?
The US conducts surveillance, for national security purposes. It does not conduct espionage for personal gain or commercial profit. Again, there is a major difference between the two. Yes there both spying but there not the same.
And you believe that? You're dumber than Rush Limbaugh looks.
I thought you guys would be mad at this action, or irritated by the ambassador's remarks.
As a Chinese, I gotta say, I don't care cyberspying or something like this. What I do care is China's Internet blocking, and when it will be cancelled.
Although most Americans like me are angry over the NSA "spying" on Americans (i.e., collecting metadata about phone calls, etc), the USA has NEVER abused its people on massive scale in the way that ALL communist countries routinely do. Not one American has even been harassed by police as a result of NSA spying. In contrast, Chinese citizens are often harassed and even imprisoned whenever their government finds something it does not like. Ultimately, there is no freedom in China to say or even read whatever a person desires. The ignorance of most of the commenters here (especially the ones who seem to be Chinese) is truly depressing. Of course the USA spies on the Chinese government - the communist regime acts as an enemy not only to the USA but also its own people (and was never even elected). Years of propaganda may make it difficult for many to ever know the truth, but as a person who has spent years in both countries, it is clear that Chinese have no reason to fear the US studying it. Chinese must instead fear what their own government does. We are now approaching the 25th anniversary of the Tiananmen crackdown in which Chinese soldiers obeyed that government to shoot unarmed civilians. Yet this cannot even be mentioned in China. I am thankful the USA is keeping an aye on China. And as a US citizen I am glad that I actually live in a true democracy where the people can change the government and even surveillance laws, as in fact is happening now.
AMANPOUR is such a GOVERMENT TOOL.. She's a JOKE.
never trust china,they say one way and act in another way, they are really thieves
Why this communist china show their prof then start talking like an angel
chinaman even copy crime, chinaman have no imagination, chinaman don't want to be chinaman, who would
This discussion has turned into the sort of crap i hear when i switch on the CB radio, full of losers with one hand on the mike and the other on their c0ck screaming 'my d!ck's bigger than your d!ck'
The US spies but it does not do so to steal for personal gain or commercial profit, China spies to steal prviate US companies trade secrets. The better question is where do the two countries go from here? Let's put it this way, who doesn't have a relative that doesn't do things they don't like or annoys them? Does that mean you abandon them? If the two countries truly are interested in moving forward then I think canceling the workshop is a step in the wrong direction.
It is quite understandable for powerful nations to flex their muscles from time to time. It is even expected and natural for the strong to deal heavy blows on their enemies, both real and perceived. That's part of the luxuries and tools they have at their disposal. But what sets the good guys and the bad guys apart is how one uses his overwhelming power and advantage lopsidedly and purely just for one's own gain, without any sense of community, devoid of any sense of responsibily for common good, and without any sense of fairness against the weak and oppressed.
World order comes with a heavy price, but it's a condition that we all want for our families to see and enjoy! Who bears the cost of maintaining this world order which we speak of, and which many of us simply take for granted every breathing day!
The dark days of WWII ended because a band of nations referred to as the Allied Powers came through and follwed through to restore order in a sick world back then. They thought it wise to create the U.N. and it still functions to this day allowing majoriy of us to live in peace and develop as a race. But behind all thses seeming normalcy someone or some nation, or nations, is actually footing the bill for this so called world order. Many of us should be glad it ain't you directly carrying the bill.
Current world order may not be perfect, but hey look around you how mankind has progressed since then.
With great power comes great responsibility. And governance, even just at the national level can truly be a challenge, maybe even for the divine. What more trying to balnce interests at the international level. Let anyone who wants to take on this challenge to come forward, and maybe foot the enormous bill.
Espionage is a coomon game that world powers play, and had even become a household word during the cold war. Commercial espionage had almost always been part of it. For a player in the game of espionage to complain is a signal that most likely, much indeed may have been lost, and gained by the adversary. Otherwise all these are kept away from public scrutiny.
Judging from the comments here, it seems many are wishing for a decline of the dominant power blocks, maybe out of personal or racial hate and grudge. For all our sakes we should wish the good guys should outlast the bad guys lest all of our families are done for.
If the dominant powers at the height of WWII had been different or had been the likes of emerging nations we see around us today, would they have committed their resources and their able bodied fighting citizens, their army, to liberate the world. And if these emerging powers eclipse their peers today, would their ideals and principles benefit your family and mine in ways better than what we enjoy today? Would they be willing to foot the bill to lead and keep world order, forestall any power vacuum that could easily lead to chaos.
We may have personal and racial prejudices, but imagine if suddenly we find oursleves living in a world where the dominant power block or blocks were the potential alternatives we have today, are we sure our families will be living in a much better world?
Let's ponder on the important lessons of history, appreciate things we overlook and take forgranted, support causes that would promote the benefit and welfare of our chidrens' children, and be sure were rooting for the guys for our family's sake!
I quite agree with you, but people is just animal, we all selfish and inviolable, human will never believe themsfle is wrong, we all keep thinking we are right,
As Confucius said, "Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes", but this only happend in the pass world, not now the mordern time, we not attack doen't means other ones won't attack us,so in our unconscious mind, we should keep vigilant, this is animal feature
I don't know why China insists in maintain diplomatic relations with US government, the US government must be isolated of the rest of the world, who makes USA works are the honest citizens and businessman, nobody needs US government and all they do is steal worker's money to give for terrorists and neo-nazis around the world. China should kick off US ambassador and welcome decent and honest US citizens who really wants to works for make a better world. If there's a country in the world that don't need its government, this country is USA.
I am curious, if a Chinese state company had evidence of a US individual conducting espionage for commercial theft for profit, what would the Chinese Government demand? This is the kind of stuff that could be discussed at the workshop. In the future, how does/should the Chinese/US Government want to handle these types of situations.
All I've got to say to this is both of them should stop playing victim.
By attacking the US, China has implicitly admitted that it did indeed commit such a sleazy (and criminal) act of spying. What the NSA has been doing is not the same. And China can cry all it wants, the world will look at China with contempt and disgust.
China must have thought it had the capability of MI-6 and those spies who got caught were their "James Bond"! Cheap, sleazy, dirty, and ugly seem to be what comes to mind when the word "China" or "Chinese" comes up.
The NSA told you that and you just believed it. The US Government needs citizens just like you!
I honestly think you have to be living in a luvvy happy hippy world if you think that any government on this planet isn't involved in hacking. But the old "Yell scream and point to another while you are pick-pocketing the onlookers" works well for the US.
Funny, when I was a child everyone believed the hype of the great red Evil, some people still fervently do, and America as the morality police of the world seemingly worked well. But it would seem that along with the collapse of Communism, America's credibility collapsed as fast.
Funny that China always claim to be the victim of everything. From cyber attacks down to bullying small countries, yet they are still the victim. China thinks they can fool the whole world forever?
Good one mate. Chinese think they will fool the world for ever. They have been looting the US tech for a long time. People should realize that China will be abusive when it finally becomes a superpower. I hope the US will keep it on check for the rest of her life. One thing i have realized is people will always complain know matter what the US does, and people should realize that the world will only become complicated as time goes on. Hacking is a necessity but others will exploit it. Imagine what the Chinese will do when given the same tech. They will invade other countries and annex them so that they can offload there population to those countries. What do you think the Chinese are fighting for in south china sea. They have got a lot of mouth to feed, a billion and half people is not a joke.
Chi gov can fool N Korean, but it can't fool Taiwanese !
omg the taiwanese keyboard general just arrived at the party!
America is doing what other countries are doing. The difference here is everyone one is targeting US, because it is big giant elephant that is visible to everyone. AT LEAST Americans hear that they are being spied on, but not being jailed for having to take out there complains like in countries like China, Russia,North Korea, Saudi Arabia and Iran. In Iran a few days ago 6 women were arrested for posting a clip in which they sang Pharrell's song called HAPPY, apparently people are not suppose to show their happiness in Iran. they were made to apologies on Iran national TV. Those kinds of things never happens in the western worlds. U can tell a president that you don't like them and no one will jail you for saying that in the western world.
第一次在这样的地方看到这样的评论，其实感觉挺痛心的。中国一直在进步，不单单指中国的经济也包括在意识形态上的改变。我真想知道美国人对我们这样深的敌意是怎么形成的？中国人称来到中国的外国人为外国友人，我们尊重他们不会歧视他们，更不会敌视他们。中国一直在改变在进步，我希望美国也能这样。The color of the world are changing day by day !(Les.Miserables)固步自封、夜郎自大是不会有好结果的。
There are good Americans and mostly don't listen to CNN. Unfortunately, stupidity, ignorance, and bigotry exist among this CNN-crowd (who else will treat CNN seriously?) and that is why they are going downhill like snow balls.
Simple. Biggest bully accusing 2nd biggest bully of bullying. The 2nd biggest bully feels outraged because it has been bullied by the biggest bully for decades.
Should the charges have come from any other country, China wouldn't have been so upset.
Several years ago barak said that any Chinese hacking against the US would be treated as an act if war.
Well what are you going to do about it barak? You make us look like wimps
If there was the case, Russia, China, and all european countries would have attached us already. Don't forget. We have PRISM and NSA that spy almost everybody.
whatever America is doing is to better the world but others are for selfish interest.
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How do you do. I'm China users. One piece of news I see a netizen comments in different countries, interesting.
This is classic Chinese pointing finger logic and diversionary strategy. Examples:
1) America killed Native Americans and took their lands, so the West cannot complain about China's actions in Tibet and Xinjiang.
2) The West created a lot of pollution in the past so how dare the West complain about Chinese pollution.
3) American government is spying all over the place, so it is hypocritical for the West to say anything against the spying that the Chinese do.
It goes on and on.
Isn't denying a false charge ... similar to a double negative?
US is garbage!!!
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I love my country. I like invading other countries blah blah blah.
Watch the video again. I think Cui is talking with eyes.
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