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Schism over women’s rights in Israel

May 5th, 2012
10:53 AM ET

by Samuel Burke

Israeli feminist Anat Hoffman has just finished a tour in the U.S., campaigning for support over her arrest in the ongoing struggle between secular and Orthodox Jews in Israel.

Hoffman is the Executive Director of the Israel Religious Action Center and was arrested at the Western Wall in Jerusalem in 2010 for carrying a Torah at the holy site in Jerusalem. She told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour, “I was conducting a religious act that offends the feelings of others – and that’s against the law.” While women carrying a Torah in Reform Judaism is common place, it’s not sanctioned by Orthodox Jews, whose customs have become the norm at the Western Wall. Hoffman was never charged with a crime.

Hoffman said that even though women’s rights are a problem only within a very small group inside Orthodoxy, her arrest and the schisms between religious and secular Jews over women’s rights are indicative of the growing power of ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel.

“Secular politicians in Israel make greater and greater concessions to the ultra-Orthodox,” Hoffman said, “because they are a very obedient crowd in a democratic game – they vote in a block, in one way.”

Hoffman is also a member of the so called ‘Freedom Riders,’ reminding Israeli passengers that public buses cannot be involuntary segregated, which the Israeli Supreme court ruled in a case brought by an Israeli woman in 2011.

As a matter of custom, on some Israeli bus lines women sit in the back of the bus, because the ultra-Orthodox avoid mixing of men and women. But in 2011, a woman named Tanya Rosenblit sat in the front of an inter-city bus bound for Jerusalem and was dubbed Israel's 'Rosa Parks' when she refused to give up her seat.

Hoffman and other ‘Freedom Riders’ post sings to remind riders of the Supreme Court’s decision. Hoffman told Amanpour, “We went to court representing a variety of Orthodox women. We won the case  and [the sign] is hanging in every Israeli bus, right behind the driver.” The sign reads, “Passengers may sit in any seat of his or her choosing… harassing a passenger regarding his or her seating choice may constitute a crime.”

When asked how the rise of Orthodoxy and its political impact affect any possibility of a peace accord between Israel and the Palestinians, Hoffman said, “I look at Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu – deeply religious people that used religion to mend their country.  When you think of South Africa, you see how religion can actually act not as an obstacle – the peace and reconciliation committees are drenched in religious rhetoric.  You see religion at its very, very best.”

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  1. joe

    sadly israel's enemies grasp at every issue as cause to snuff out this vibrant democracy...

    May 5, 2012 at 2:17 pm | Reply
    • coolhead

      Vibrant deomocracy!!!! Give me a break, Isreal is an apartheid state.

      May 6, 2012 at 10:01 am | Reply
      • Abe

        Only a muslim or an islamic sympathiser can say that. Want apartheid look no further than all islamic states. Funny how when those countries who throw abuse at Israel are actually describing themselves!!

        May 16, 2012 at 7:11 am |
      • StanCalif

        Exactly! And we, the USA, support this country? Only because our Congress is infected with "Jewish money"!
        I support getting rid of both political parties and all their lobbyists! This is our biggest problem today!

        May 26, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
      • StanCalif

        Did South Africa ever demand that the US bomb their foes? Israel is just completely ridiculous. The primary problem is that our Congress is infected with Jewish money and influence. Thank God that Obama stood up to them, can you imagine what Romney would do? I fear to think about it! Another "rich man's war" for sure!

        May 26, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
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      • Pilar

        Yeah, yeah, that was me. Just to elaborate I diienftely consider myself a super-Zionist and probably know more about Israeli history and modern politics than the average Israeli. My modern orthodox education in the US also taught me probably more Israeli and Jewish literature and poetry than most Israelis learn.The bottom line is that Zionism is a Jewish homeland. Zionism is not modern day Israeli culture. I don't have to like anything about the ways Israelis act, speak, laugh or line up to buy popcorn in movie theaters.

        August 11, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
    • pat

      I also find it amusing that you use the term "vibrant democracy" to describe Israel. Hopefully Israel will be able to come to terms with that other alleged "vibrant democracy" Palestine.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:31 am | Reply
    • David Smith

      Democracy? The West Bank is occupied by Israelis, but Palestinians live there and they cannot vote. That is not a vibrant democracy; that's apartheid you moronic fool. And your little cretinistic use of the victim card is even more nonsensical. White people (Ashkenazis) living in the middle east have no legitimacy when they pull a card out of their pocket every time someone criticizes Israel. Now, shut your filthy mouth.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:29 pm | Reply
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    • Ivanzed

      Vibrant Democracy? Oppression of women... segregation of the palestininian people. They are no better than South Africa 30 year ago.

      May 23, 2012 at 11:43 am | Reply
      • White Rights

        Did someone say South Africa 30 years ago? South Africa was a great country with a strong currency until the blacks took over. Now look at it. Crime rising, currency deflating. Ask any south African and they'll tell you the country was much better under the apartheid. It's really aside the point though, since Israel isn't an apartheid by any means. The West Bank is a different country, it has nothing to do with Israel. What they claim is part of the West Bank is absurd. Come to Israel and see. It's like saying America is occupying Mexico. No, but there are lot of Mexicans in Los Angeles.

        May 27, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
  2. Paul

    Many critics of Israel claim that the Israel-Arab conflict will only end when Israel begins to be like her neighbours. However I don't believe that an Ultra-Orthodox Jewish halachic state paralleling Slafist Islamic sharia dominance is what they intended,.

    May 5, 2012 at 2:55 pm | Reply
  3. amigocabal

    How can Israel claim to be a democracy if it treats its own women like cattle? Sometimes I wonder why is US spending billions of borrowed money to support these terrorists.

    May 6, 2012 at 12:11 am | Reply
    • Abe

      Don't believe a single word of this article. Written by a feminist who has an agenda of her own.

      May 16, 2012 at 7:12 am | Reply
      • Angela Birch

        Yup a feminist who wants to rid on the bus in any seat she chooses. A Isreali citizen who is not an ultra orthodox Jew and does not live as an ultrat orthodox Jew.
        I find it absurd that the Ultra orthodox think that only their views matter and the demand everyone else live by their minute rules and those that choose not to follow the rules of the ultra orthodox can be attacked. Another interesting fact is that the ultra orthodox don't have to serve in the military but the rest of Israelis do. At the same time the ultra Orodox treat the other Israelis like dirt, especially women.
        And they call themselves a democracy.

        May 18, 2012 at 1:50 am |
      • pat

        If a feminist did not have an agenda of her own then she would not be a good feminist....... personally I think striving for equality is a pretty nice agenda..... and Israel should support equality if they even want to stand on moral and ehthical grounds. Islamic radicals and certain orthodox jews appear to be basically made of the same cloth....... they are twin brothers that like to fight each other.

        May 18, 2012 at 9:35 am |
      • David Smith

        Says the Haredi quack.

        May 22, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • bspurloc

      cuz the roman catholic church doesnt treat women like cattle.... Hey maybe the next Pope will be female...

      May 18, 2012 at 10:28 am | Reply
      • StanCalif

        Ha, ha, ha! You must be kidding! Ever hear of a Priest fuc**ng a female? They prefer young boys!
        I wonder what the Nuns do?

        May 26, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • Jamie K

      Well, it wasn't too long ago when women and minorities in the US were treated just as poorly. Yet, they still referred to the US as a Democracy back then (technically, a Republic, but whatever).

      May 21, 2012 at 1:48 pm | Reply
      • David Smith

        So two wrongs make a right? Artard.

        May 22, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
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    • StanCalif

      It's all about the money! Israel spends huge amounts of money lobbying our Congress, and Congress just loves it! So our aid money to Israel will never be subject to discussion!
      I am proud of Obama for being the very first President to stand up to Israel's arrogance. But he gets crucified for doing so! This country should be added to the list of "Evil Empires", but it will never happen since our Congress is completely controlled by Jewish money!

      May 26, 2012 at 1:53 pm | Reply
    • StanCalif

      It's all about the money! Israel spends huge amounts of money lobbying our Congress, and Congress just loves it! So our aid money to Israel will never be subject to discussion!
      I am proud of Obama for being the very first President to stand up to Israel's arrogance. But he gets crucified for doing so! This country should be added to the list of "Evil Empires", but it will never happen since our Congress is completely controlled by Jewish money!

      May 26, 2012 at 1:55 pm | Reply
    • StanCalif

      Israel "owns" our Congress! Money talks! What member of Congress would dare vote for any resolution against Israel? Sadly, NONE!

      May 26, 2012 at 2:16 pm | Reply
  4. amigocabal

    They call it "democracy! Yesterday on the first of May they bulldozed a dairy farm, today they treat Israeli women as cattle

    May 6, 2012 at 12:14 am | Reply
  5. agent StanSmith

    or...we could stop letting regional bronze-age modes of thought dictate conditions in a modern global society. This of course, applies to ALL such groups of people everywhere.

    May 6, 2012 at 9:01 am | Reply
    • glennrobert

      There are no good religions!

      May 19, 2012 at 2:08 am | Reply
  6. Lost

    Use of religion to control others. All it takes is self-control. Self-control and self discipline seems a lot harder to achieve than oppressing others.

    May 6, 2012 at 9:46 am | Reply
  7. Bonnie Prince Charlie

    Look to Desmond Tutu for inspiration? A man that accuses Israel of being an apartheid country? A man who calls for Israel to make concessions by remains silent about Hamas's aim of eliminating the country and exterminating all Jews worldwide? A man who claims that the 'settlements' are illegal and supports those who are prepared to murder Israelis – Jews, Christians, Moslems and others – in pursuit of their goals? A man who remains silent on the murder of Christians in the Middle-East and other Muslim regions? I think not.

    May 6, 2012 at 10:06 am | Reply
    • Steven

      Yep, Desmond Tutu.

      The man who says what every other country in the world says, and what every international court says :
      – the settlements are illegal
      – the territories do not belong to Israel
      – Israel must move back to the 1967 borders

      Shame that Israel can't listen to the will of the entire world, nobel peace prize recipients and even some of its own people.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:18 am | Reply
      • elizabeth

        Ask yourself why Israel, the non-aggressor in every war in which it gained territory, is the ONLY nation in modern history (and maybe in recorded history, for that matter) where it is demanded that they return captured land to their attackers /aggressors as a condition of peace. This is nonsensical, especially, when one considers the tactical consequences of doing so, but yet, this has been in discussion since 1973.

        May 19, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
      • David Smith

        Yes, Elizabeth, Israel was a non-agressor in the 1982 Lebanon war in which they committed multiple atrocities; most notable at sabra and shatila. You are unintelligent; plain and simple.

        May 22, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
  8. Sarah

    People who have nothing better to do than go to holy sites and purposely do things to offend and upset people are just extreme themselves. We all need to have a little tolerance and love for our fellow jews and she obviously does not. I think there are more productive ways to get her point across. Just ridiculous.

    May 6, 2012 at 10:55 am | Reply
    • David Smith

      You're a dude and a Jew. Stop claiming to be some woman named "Sarah" who is really a Haredi lunatic.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:37 pm | Reply
  9. Elias Haddad

    What vibrant democracy are you talking about? The one that treats it's Arab citizens like second class citizens? And saying the Arabs in Israel have more/better rights than other Arabs does not excuse or justify them being treated like second class citizens. With regards to this's the Middle East. Religious intolerance and fanaticism exists with all 3 major religions there.

    May 6, 2012 at 3:33 pm | Reply
    • freeamerican7

      Democracy ?
      When Russian and European and American Zionist Jews have the right to vote while the NATIVE Palestinians (who speak the NATIVE Language of the Middle-East: Arabic) are NOT allowed to vote...let alone allowing them to return to their HOMELAND ...... Will the US be a Democracy if ....let's say NATIVE Americans (or Hispanics...etc..) are NOT allowed to vote?

      May 8, 2012 at 3:00 am | Reply
      • Blackie Sharpe

        There is no "native" middle eastern language. Hebrew is an ancient language and was spoken in the middle east. Do you think Hebrew originated in China? Egyptians lived in the middle east long before Arabs. Do you think the ancient Egyptians spoke Arabic?

        Go back to History 101 and pass this time aroung. Til then, stay off the blog.

        May 22, 2012 at 2:39 am |
  10. Shining3210

    A huge thing this stup1d article forgot to mention – Those things donot happen in 99% of israel, only in a tiny number of neighborhoods which are occupied by the ultra religious jews.

    May 6, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Reply
  11. Zohar Freiberg

    Go Anat!
    קדימה ענת!

    May 6, 2012 at 3:54 pm | Reply
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  12. just curious

    Funny! the same stupid practices are posed on Jews to try to pray at al aqsa mosque. In that case it must be justified of course in the name of "jewish provocations" right? this is hilarious.
    and this chick was not charged "because of international ramifications"? give me a break! this is so bloody ridiculous.
    and just to be clear, I find all religions to be total nonsense but this anti Israeli campaign is really is so double faced.

    May 6, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Reply
  13. Sharon Leviton

    This interview is so sad. Religious women are not persecuted in any way. I am one of them. We hold a higher standard of modesty, and want ourselves to remain separate; This isn't because us women are uneducated, or ghetto minded – to the contrary, I have a phd in applied mathematics. Still, I sit separately on a bus, and am much happier for it, knowing I don't have to worry about some creepy guy's arm around me. Religious jews are arrested for praying at the dome of the rock (it is considered a disturbance), and Hoffman was arrested for creating a disturbance – for offending Jews. You want to impose your views on us, as far as we are concerned, you are welcome to live your life as you wish – you can take non segregated buses and we're totally fine with it. But you are not fine with us wanting to live our lives as We see fit. You are the one who is intolerant. Our heritage is 3000 years old, and we're proud of it. Take a moment to speak to the people in Israel, they willl expose you for the fraud you really are.

    May 6, 2012 at 6:41 pm | Reply
    • Jacob

      You have to worry about strangers putting their arms around you on a public bus? Is this only in Israel? Here in America, if you did that to a female, she'd kick your butt.

      May 17, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Reply
    • Leah

      I am secular, even a little atheist, but I am totally with you. Live as you wish as long as you let me live as I wish, and as long as the way you live your live is your own personal choice ans was not impose on you. I do believe that this is how it works in Israel with religious women.

      May 21, 2012 at 2:55 pm | Reply
    • Blackie Sharpe

      You are not more religious than me, you are not more modest, you are simply brainwashed by a doctrine which covers up women – making them believe their bodies are sinful – and fails to discipline young men so they learn to behave in public.

      You are not better than me. I am a woman. You are simply using arrogance and false modesty to push your religious views onto other people.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:42 am | Reply
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  14. michael

    I would like to see what would happen if she tried doing the communion in the vatican...

    May 6, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Reply
    • buster

      as a Catholic, i can tell you that nothing would happen. no one checks your ID before you receive communion. it would be disrespectful to participate in a sacrament that you don't believe in, but that would be between you and your conscience/God. we are fighting our own battle of whether or not to allow women to serve as priests and conduct the mass/give the sacraments, but people are not barred in any way from participating.

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  15. ken penethby

    Whereas much acrimony is heaped on Iran for its misquoted statement on Israel's existence, the Israelis keep very quiet about their own jewish group, Neturei Karta (Guardians of the City), which opposes Zionism and calls for a peaceful dismantling of the State of Israel, in the belief that Jews are forbidden to have their own state until the coming of the Messiah. This undermines the settlers argument that God gave them the land of the Palestinians.

    May 6, 2012 at 8:12 pm | Reply
  16. My Name Is KHAN

    Why are Jews " Ultra-orthodox "where as Muslims " Fundamentalists"?

    May 6, 2012 at 10:35 pm | Reply
  17. AJ

    Unbelievable! People like Joe here have no concept of democracy. We can all criticize the US, the president, the policies etc... but Israel is a red line and no one is allowed to voice their opinion even in a democracy and even good hearted Israelis who love their country and want equality for all.

    May 7, 2012 at 12:47 am | Reply
  18. simple simon

    Fundamentalist Islam, Fundamentalist Judaism, Fundamentalist Christianity, it's always
    the women at the brunt of the dementia. Is oppression of women still the shared theme
    of these cretinous creeds?

    May 7, 2012 at 1:53 am | Reply
    • Chef of Iron

      You nailed it Simon. I can't agree with you more.

      May 16, 2012 at 6:14 pm | Reply
  19. Helen

    Passengers may sit in any seat of their choosing...provided they're allowed on that bus in the first place. Some West Bank Palestinians tried to board a bus 'of their choosing' and were arrested for that choice. The spirit of Rosa Parks was elsewhere that day, it seems.

    May 7, 2012 at 8:25 am | Reply
  20. P Gibson

    remember – this is the life YOU didn't choose YOU.
    So – take it like the warrior for religion that you know you are – conflict, accusations, murder, legal / religious's the life you chose.

    Sorry 'bout that, but not really interested in the feelings you rush to self-inflict.

    After all, lots of happy, functional people do not follow Islam, Judaism, or Christianity.

    I say again – you CHOSE to live in conflict.

    deal with it.

    May 16, 2012 at 1:40 pm | Reply
  21. bspurloc

    such a lie..... ONLY ISLAM treats women as 2nd class citizens..... BRB Gotta go find a Female Christian Priest....

    May 18, 2012 at 10:25 am | Reply
  22. Nachman Ben-Yehuda

    If you are interested in learning more about the secular-Haredi conflict in Israel, read my distinguished award winning book: THEOCRATIC DEMOCRACY. Dec. 2011. Published by Oxford University Press.

    May 19, 2012 at 6:10 am | Reply
  23. elizabeth

    It is easy to criticize from the outside. As one who lived in Jerusalem's Old City for over a year, it's not a simple place with easy answers. Yes, the Ultra-Orthodox have disproportionate political power, but it is because of the system of government (parliamentary) in which coalitions must form to attain a majority to rule. Very small parties can wield a lot of power if they are necessary to hold a coalition together IF a leader is willing to make concessions to them. Netanyahu clearly is willing. If the Israelis truly want change, they'll dump him. Also, Orthodox men can be very belligerent in telling others exactly what they think others should be doing. They feel it is their religious obligation. If you understand this, it's not such a big deal. If you are intimidated easily, Israel can be a tough place to live. My friend described a party there as "5 minutes of social niceties followed by 3 hours of vicious politics." It's pretty close to true!

    May 19, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Reply
  24. Ignorant1

    Its female beauty that is the problem here. Women are so gorgeous in the Middle East – that unless they are separated from men and covered from head to toe – men cannot be expected to adequately restrain themselves and will undoubtedly commit sin. So, its actually God's fault for making women so beautiful and seductive and men so weak. But, being God – he knew that this may present a problem, that is why he prescribed to his followers and worshipers to separate men from women for their own sake. See – it all makes sense!

    May 21, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Reply
  25. Blackie Sharpe

    This isn't because "us women" are uneducated... I have a "phd" in applied math...

    Honey, you are so uneducated that it makes my skin crawl. "We women" – nominative subject

    PhD – learn how to properly spell the acronym for your degree.

    Applied Math – for those who can not comprehend theoretical math.

    May 22, 2012 at 2:46 am | Reply
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  26. Harry Trevis

    Tell me all you enlightened people, what's the difference between the islamists and the orthodox jews? There is none, both sects are rooted in a twisted, ignorant hate-filled mindset more suitable to the seventh then the twenty first century.

    May 23, 2012 at 2:08 am | Reply
    • Ivanzed

      Bravo, I agree 100%. In my opinion, this is an issue of control over women, and NOT religion. Very sad.

      May 23, 2012 at 11:19 am | Reply
  27. Frank

    Cell phones, Internet, and technology in general is killing cultures all over the world. Let these people protect theirs. Good Day!

    May 23, 2012 at 9:48 am | Reply
  28. Lost

    The entire middle east region is an apartheid state. Sadly, religion is used to keep everything divided and oppression an acceptable norm.

    May 23, 2012 at 10:44 am | Reply
  29. Ivanzed

    I don't think this is a matter of religion. This is simply oppression of women. These big strong "men" want nothing more than to control their women...take away any independence they may have or want. It is a sad state when this is still occurring in the 21st century.

    May 23, 2012 at 11:11 am | Reply
  30. George

    Vibrant democracy.... unless you're not Jewish of course. Oh the hypocrisy...

    May 25, 2012 at 6:10 am | Reply
  31. oasis

    Religion is always used by men as an excuse to oppress women, and it's sad when women approve of it and are even "proud" of it. That the oppression is 3000 years old doesn't make things better, only worse. Zealots are narrow minded and lack respect and manners.

    May 25, 2012 at 7:06 pm | Reply
  32. Ali

    There is extremism in all three major religions, But there is ALOT ALOT ALOT more Muslim extremists than Jew or Christian, in fact there are so much Muslim extremists that they control most of the Muslim Countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran and etc...
    I'm confident to say that extremist Muslims are in the Majority while the extremists in the other two major religions are far in to the minority.
    Jews have lowest extremist percentages in the world, since there is also a lot of Christian extremism seen in countries like Russia or Nigeria.

    Same thing applies for Fundamentalists

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  33. Richard

    Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. Israel is the only country that provides for freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom from fear. I happen to agree with "the women of the wall." The interesting part today is that (I believe) the ulta-orthodox Jews in the United States require women sit in the back of the bus in Brooklyn, New York. The Reform, Conservative, Reconstructionist, and other branches of Judaism have women Rabbis, and the Western Wall should not force the separation of women and men.

    May 27, 2012 at 10:47 pm | Reply
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