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Former Catholic friar: homosexuality is “the ticking time bomb”
by Mick Krever, CNN
Homosexuality is “the ticking time bomb in the Catholic Church,” a former Dominican friar told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour on Monday.
Mark Dowd, who is himself openly gay, spoke to Amanpour as a blitz of new scandals hit the Catholic Church, just days before Pope Benedict XVI is set to step down from the papacy.
The Vatican announced on Monday that the archbishop of Scotland is resigning, a day after British newspapers published accusations of decades-long sexual misconduct with other priests. An American Cardinal is facing fresh allegations of covering up abuse. And Italian newspapers over the weekend published sordid accounts of homosexuality and blackmail within the Church hierarchy.
That last allegation, of a secret “cabal” of gay priests, has been dubbed the “Vati-leaks” scandal.
“When you have this culture of secrecy and guilt and repression,” Dowd said, “you have conditions which foster the potential for blackmail and for manipulation.”
Dowd, who is now a journalist, said that gay men are “massively over-represented” within the Church.
“About half,” he said, “if not more, of all the people attracted into seminaries in the priesthood are gay themselves.”
Dowd said the basis for his claim was on- and off-the-record conversations with members of the Church, as well as personal experience.
Despite stepping down, the Scottish archbishop, Cardinal Keith O’Brien, denies the charges levied against him by fellow priests.
“We don’t know all of the details; we know what’s been reported to us by the papers,” Father Tom Rosica, an assistant Vatican spokesperson, told Amanpour. “Certainly this is not a pleasant moment for the entire church. When one member suffers, all of us suffer.”
The suffering certainly does not seem to be abating. The Church’s child sex-abuse scandal has been building in recent years, but Pope Benedict XVI’s resignation seems to have invited the deepest reckoning yet.
Veteran Vatican journalist Marco Politi, speaking with Amanpour in Rome, called Pope Benedict XVI’s resignation “the last act of a series of crises.”
“He had, from the beginning, crises with Islam, crises with the Jews, crises with the world of the science because of the condom and HIV,” Politi said. “And finally, the great Vati-leaks crisis: These secret documents about corruption in the Vatican, about struggles between Cardinals, about disease and opposition against his secretary of state, and about lack of transparency of the Vatican Bank. This certainly was pushing him to accelerate his resignation.”
Nonetheless, Politi dismissed the idea of a “gay cabal,” as reported over the weekend by la Repubblica and Panorama, emphasizing that no one has actually seen the report.
“The idea of a gay cabal is rubbish,” he said. “Here in the Vatican, there are monsignors who have love affairs, with women and with men. But they hide it. They are liberals or conservatives, but certainly they don’t act like a gay lobby.”
Politi said that when Cardinal Ratzinger was elevated to the papacy, he wanted to “turn a new page” on the sex abuse scandal.
“He understood how deep this problem was,” Politi said. “But he has not had the courage to order all the bishops to open the archives to see the hidden victims, which are still thousands and thousands all over the world.”
The sex abuse scandal weighed heavily on the Pope, Dowd said. He recounted an interview he conducted several years ago with Pope Benedict XVI’s brother, Georg Ratzinger.
“He said [Pope Benedict XVI] was basically lying awake at night sweating and worrying about it,” Dowd said, “and that actually in terms of his own emotional health it taken a great toll on him.”
As to whether reformers can hope for a more liberal Pope in the future, Dowd was optimistic.
“In my experience,” he said, “the Catholic Church is always liable to surprise.”
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Wow, those noises in your head must be brutal.
the real salvation of the Catholic Church is its lay people and working religious- priests, nuns, and brothers, who live Christlike lives as much as they are able. the leadership needs to wash the feet of the ordinary Catholics and learn from them.
The church is a joke. Perverts and rapists get paid to abuse children and oppress women. Worse than the most bizarre cult. Ever.
The chickens have come home to roost, as the saying goes. This has been a long time coming–the exposure of this massively corrupt and perverted bureaucracy of the Catholic church. They could get away with it in the past, but with the global nature of the media, they can no longer hide. I feel so sorry for Catholics, who, for the most part, have been ripped off for decades, centuries really, by their church who has sucked money out their pockets.
No you are wrong there a worse cult – Islam
ALL religions are a cult by definition and in practice. The organized crime syndicate that the Catholic church is and other religions should be outlawed. Why do they continue to be allowed to generate billions of dollars of revenues and not pay any taxes? It is obscene to continue this fleecing of the American taxpayer.
Jeff, organized religions were invented by the powerful to control the masses. Of course that they are and will remain allowed in society, because they serve (pretty well) their purpose.
The notion that the next life will be better is the attraction to religion; only the naïve would believe the promises of a better afterlife, yet no one can prove exist. There is no one religion that do not promises something attainable during the existence on earth.
I will gladly give you a dollar next Tuesday for a hamburger today. This is the scam of afterlife and religion. The scary part is that there are so many billions dim enough to buy it.
You sound like dissatisfied customers. So why don't you do something about it instead of the blah, blah, blah which is really boring ...
@ Jim Wangsness. Yeah how dare the church suck money out of people's pockets. That the giverments job.
Jeff, organized religions were invented by the powerful to control the masses. Of course that they are and will remain allowed in society, because they serve (pretty well) their purpose. -– please cite your sources, i'm interested in reading about the intentional creation of religions and cults, this was not known to me as being fact.
So by your reasoning, the public education system is a joke, since an even higher percentage of teachers than catholic priests abuse children.
By your logic, LETS NOT SEND OUR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL ANYMORE!!
What sad life you must have. Having met only catholics that are rapist and perverts. There are others you must meet. Who live their christian lives very well and are very likeable. They are the ones you need to encouter to find Joy. Every human is free to make decisions, and the behavior of a few must not be affect the majority. That is common sense. I hope you find happiness, because you really need one to love you truly. The same goes for all other religions. They have persons who are good and bad. Find love.
Agreed
No sólo la iglesia Católica se a visto empañada de escándalos, también las demás religiones, pero al esta ser la verdadera, se le da más énfasis y es que el maligno sabe que le queda poco tiempo y utiliza gente de Dios para que los demás duden de su fe y de la existencia del Único y verdadero Dios.
Very true!
Quien es el unico Dios verdadero???te pregunto por que estoy segura que no lo sabes??????La Trinidad????esa palabra ni siqueira existe en la biblia, otra mentira de la iglesia Catolica el Imperio Mundial de la Religion falsa. y si tienes razon le queda muy poco tiempo sera destruida y nunca mas se ora de ella. Jesucristo el hijo del Dios verdadero viene a jusgarla, lee la biblia.
idis o, you must be JW for sure. Yes, the Catholics got it all wrong when it comes to making up doctrines and misinterpreting the whole Bible, but one thing (of the few) they got it right, along with all the other religions. There is Trinity. Yes, the word does not appear but there are multiple facts in the Bible that show that there is indeed a Trinity Deity. By the way, the JW have chenged on purpose many versicles, which speak of delicate subjects that prove against many of their doctrines, like this one who talk about
La Trinidad es falso??? Que?!
Hey, as long as it's among guys and not little boys, let the party begin!
I totally agree. You remind me of a 60s saying: If it feels good, do it. As you inferred, if it's between consenting adults, why not?
Because they condemn others who do what they are so guilty of doing. They influence lawmakers to make laws that destroy people. That church CAUSED suffering!! They do NOT get a pass.
consenting adults is the problem, it has not been the case when children are the target..
When the adults have passed away, the the former litle boys will be the new adults. Hence the the gay comunity will
epand many folds. Is that what the advanced technological World wants??? Moddy
Hypocrites...from top to bottom (hahahahaha...)
It's amazing that an organization that has for centuries recruited only single men who enjoy dressing in fancy clothes and have no desire to marry a women could ever be infiltrated by the gays. Who could have foreseen this?
Yes reflecto, the obvious is not obvious to uneducated people through the centuries. But awareness is catching up–maybe caught up is a better term.
Satan is their lider.
yup! how can anybody miss that point reflecto. i guess those priest hid behind the cross so people won't notice.
Where's the thumbs up button...where is it?
These senior Catholic clergy have been using their Red Capes to cover colossal abuse over the centuries. They have been using propaganda such as letting people get stuck into Islam to act as a smoke screen for their deviant activities.
We need to remember that the problem with the Roman Catholic Church is NOT that 50% of those applying for the priesthood are gay but that the majority of them have their emotional development arrested at the age of 12.
Very wrong
darkmoonman – That is true the teachings of the church repressed many emotionally by the time they were 12. Many who joined the the priesthood and became nuns from the poor countries were from large families, like Ireland. There was no outlet for men and women when they grew up, other than keep farming a barren land, marry and have children they couldn't afford to raise and feed. If they received any education, they could teach or become a nurse if any jobs were available, if not the men became priests and nuns in droves – many brothers and sisters from the same family. They had a roof over their heads, clothes for their backs and food for their bodies, but they worked for it. Many were educated in different fields – others became like laborers for the church and the hierarchy. The planted and harvested the food, cleaned and cooked, waited on all the ones above them. Put in catholic schools to teach and in catholic hospitals to take care of the sick – for no salary, but the church received money for their labor for their coffers. They had been taught it was the right thing to do – for their SALVATION. Let's hope God does right by the good ones – as the church doesn't – especially the nuns. The women aren't high on their list, sort of like the republican political party.
That's really the point: ignorance and lack of birth control grew this cult after the fall of Rome.
Vatican Inc. had a good run, better and longer than it deserved.
Were it not for Pedophiles 'R' Us within that religious corporation, it might've gone on for another thousand years content to just smack around everything female. How and why any female would have anything ti do with this bizarre misogynist cult of deranged men is a complete mystery. Was the Inquisition not a big enough tip off of what was to come?
The Muslims will love this scandal, now they will be able to murder in the the name of Allah and nobody will notice!
I don't quite see the connection between what's happening to the Catholic church and Islam as you've written above. I won't be surprised though if some practicing Catholics were to explore other religions due to this embarrassing situation, and Islam would be one of the obvious options, of course.
My sympathies to sincere Catholics who must be feeling disillusioned at this point in time. I hope this issue will not be used to attack religion and faith in God.
quite TRUE
Very well put.
Too much concern on who is right, the most powerful, the most corrupt, the most suppressed, who is in control etcetc,
and the whole simple message is missed.
Gay Priests?
Read the Bible better dudes.
I think you could consider that religion and faith in God can be two different things. The problem here is the power that organized religion gives people, and how that can be abused – faith in god, and belief in a particular god can be separated from organized religion.
Yes ... expect to see a "spike" in the number of Catholics leaving their church for others Christian churches and also for Islam. This will be a trend at least for the medium term.
Those who remain Catholics will most probably become less Catholic, until their church is revamped, re-organized, "cleaned", etc. The new Pope will need to make tough decisions to redeem their faith.
Chippy,
You sound like you have a real bigotry against Muslims. If it was Jews that you were commenting on, there would be real outrage at your remarks, but of course, Muslims make easy targets for someone like you. I, like 99.99% of my fellow 1.6 billion Muslims have never killed or threatened to kill anyone, but we can always rely on people like you to try to make us feel less than human.
Salam Farid,
Just for the record, I don't feel less human after reading his comment. Nether should you. We should remember what the Qur'an mentioned Surah al-Kaafirun when reading such remarks. God knows best. Salam.
By Russian Rasputin, may be know this case in the monastery hundred years ago.
A few years ago I had a very special behind the scenes tour of the Vatican – walking right up to the Papal apt – as well as out on the roof. The person giving me the tour talked openly about an open "secret" of an apartment in Rome where the Pope had his cats – and young men. I can't say true or not – just seems the rot starts at the top, and something bigger then a broom is needed.
The Catholic Church is in desperate need of reformation. Oh wait, didn't that already happen? Anyway, I am just glad the incident being referred to was between consenting adults. The hypocrisy of the Church is blatantly apparent but I think any powerhouse religion will have deep rooted problems due to the corruption that naturally arises with money/power.
It is time that people start being more careful where charity money is going to... We all have a responsibility, please stop donating money and putting the moral responsibility on other people to make sure that it gets to the right place. I am now giving to local janitors and cleaners. Also, tipping waitresses and waiters very well. This is a better way to give my money away and ensure it does not go to corrupt priests/mullahs/pagodas/etc.....
Your approach to helping others is far more practical, efficient and effective than giving it to a bloated organization. I stopped giving to the United Way 2 or 3 decades ago when the president was found to be living a lavish lifestyle using the organization's money. They blew their ONE chance with me as have many "charities".
Jeff: The past abuses at the national United Way were dealt with long ago. Local United Way organizations are a great way to help a community; the dollars stay in your town and the programs funded are thoroughly evaluated – if they do not perform the funding stops and a better program is funded very quickly. I have done a lot of charity work; please consider the local United Way if you want to make your community stronger for everyone.
bravo
How anyone can remain a Catholic is amazing. It says a lot about the people in the "flock". Birds of a feather flock together.
Jeff: monkey see, monkey do.
Jeff
Most Catholics I know aren't "birds of feather," rather we are birds wondering what in the hell happened to our nest! I found comfort and peace in the Church when I was young; now I won't step foot in a Catholic church. My faith still guides me, because the roots are deep. But I feel betrayed and deserted by those who were supposed to be our spiritual leaders.
சேர்ந்த சகோதரர் எம் எஸ். முஹமது அன்சாரி அவர்கள், உலகளாவிய பொருளாதார சீரழிவிற்கான காரணங்களாக கீழ்க்கண்ட செய்திகளை குறிப்பிட்டுள்ளார்.
போர்களினால் ஏற்படும் விளைவுகள்..
1. உலகமெங்கும் நடைபெற்றுவரும் போர்களினால் ஒவ்வொரு நாளும் 3.5 டிரில்லியன் அமெரிக்க டாலர்கள் செலவாகிறது. இது ஒவ்வொரு நாளும் மேலும் மேலும் அதிகரிப்பதினால் பொருளாதார சீரழிவு ஏற்படுகிறது.
2. அன்றாடம் அத்தியாவாசியப் பொருட்களின் விலை அதிகரித்துக்கொண்டே போகிறது..
3. தொழில்கள் பாதிக்கப்படுவதால் உலகளாவிய வேலை இழப்பு, மற்றும் வியாபாரம் இன்மை.
4. உலகளாவிய நிதி நெருக்கடியால், புதிய தொழில்களுக்கான அந்நிய முதலீடுகள் கிடைக்காமல் போகிறது.
5. பெட்ரோலியப் பொருட்கள், மற்றும் கச்சா என்னை விலை ஏற்றம்.
6. உலகமெங்கிலும் வறுமை. மேலும் 170 வங்கிகளின் 87000 கிளைகள் திவாலாகி உள்ளன.
7. ஒவ்வொரு தனி மனிதனும் பாதிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளான்.
8. ஏற்கனவே மில்லியன் கணக்கான மக்கள் கொல்லப்பட்டுள்ளனர், இன்னும் மில்லியன் கணக்கில் மக்கள் கொல்லப்படுவார்கள்.
9. மில்லியன் கணக்கில் மக்கள், உடலளவிலும் மனதளவிலும் காயம்பட்டுள்ளனர்.
10. போர்களில் பயன்படுத்தப்படும், நச்சுக்கிருமிகளால் சுற்றுச்சூழல் பாதிக்கப்படுவதால் விவசாயம் பெருமளவில் பாதிக்கப்படுகிறது.
இந்த செய்தி கீழ்க்கண்டோருக்கு அனுப்பப்பட்டுள்ளது :
சர்வதேச குற்றவியல் நீதிமன்றம். , வெள்ளை மாளிகை, . உலக மனித உரிமை சங்கம்., CIMF,
யூரோ தொழிற்சங்கம், ஐக்கிய நாடுகள் சபை, அனைத்து சர்வதேச புகழ் பெற்ற பத்திரிகை மற்றும் ஊடகங்கள்
இந்த இணைப்பை பார்க்கவும்
அமெரிக்காவின் முன்னாள் ஜனாதிபதி ஜார்ஜ் புஷ் – ஐக்கிய நாடுகள் சபையின் அனுமதி பெறாமல் ஈராக்கில் அணு ஆயுதம் உள்ளது என்று அந்நாட்டின் மீது போர்தொடுத்தார்.
C.N.N. WORLD அறிக்கையின்படி, 6, 75,000 பொது மக்களும், அமேரிக்கா மற்றும் அதன் நேசப்படைகளை சார்ந்த 7,500 பேர்களும் கொல்லப்பட்டுள்ளனர். 3,25,000 மக்கள் காயமடைந்துள்ளனர்.
அந்த போருக்காக மட்டும் 3.5 டிரில்லியன் டாலர்கள் செலவழிக்கப்பட்டது. இப்போதுள்ள உலகளாவிய பொருளாதார நெருக்கடிக்கு இந்த செலவுதான் முக்கியமான காரணமாக அமைந்தது.
அனால் அந்த போருக்கு பின்பு, ஜார்ஜ் புஷ் – உளவுப்பிரிவின் தவறான வழி காட்டுதலால்தான் ஈராக் மீது அமெரிக்கா போர் தொடுத்தது என்பதை ஒப்புக்கொண்டார்.
பிறகு, ஐக்கிய நாடுகள் சபைகூட ஈராக்கில் பேரழிவு ஆயுதங்கள் இல்லை என்று பிரகடனப்படுத்தியது.
இதன் காரணமாக ஜார்ஜ் புஷ் பீது சர்வதேச நீதிமன்றத்தில் எம் எஸ் முகமது அன்சாரி வழக்கு தொடர கீழ்க்கண்ட காரணங்களை சர்வதேச வழக்கு மன்றத்திற்கு அனுப்பி வைத்து அது நிலுவையில் உள்ளது.
1. ஈராக்கிற்கு எதிரான போரை முன்னெடுப்பது
2. 6,75,000 அப்பாவி ஈராக் பொதுமக்கள் கொல்லப்பட்டது
3. தற்போதைய பொருளாதார நெருக்கடி
4. 3,25,000 பொதுமக்கள் மற்றும் 39,௦௦௦ படையினர் காயமுற்றது.
இந்த இணைப்பை பார்க்கவும்
முன்பு அமெரிக்க பொருளாதார அமைச்சகத்தின் இயக்குனராக அதிராம்பட்டினம் அன்சாரி என்ற தலைப்பில் வெளியான கட்டுரையில் தொடர்ச்சி இது..
RUSH SAVE GLOBAL ECONOMIC TSUNAMI
M.S.Mohamed Ansari 13 April 2009
All press and Media Arabs leader and G20 leader at. Headquarters of All association
AND ELECTRONIC VOTE. CONTROLL BY CONGRESS.
A TO Z + 8. QUEEN + 8
Royal wedding. And royal security force 10 generation total cost $ 57 trillion
Each every politician rolling 8 years only just like chess board Game.
But queen family rolling 10 generation y
GLOBAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE REASON WAR. Improve Economy only 6 points. Peace, prayer
Liberty, Unity, friendly And simplicity.
I am also Happy to kill osma bin laden
Turing point of global Economy. Islam not allowed to be Terrorist and Terrorist people are not a Muslim
1. Please avoid war. Day by Day war cost increase $ 3.5 trillion
2. Global economy and food price every Day increase
3. International job less unemployment Y. All businessmen effected business.
4. Global financial crisis every CNC manufacture. New technology energy product Effected FDI investors.
5. Every Day OPEC Oil Price Increase
6. World poverty problem. Bankrupt 170 Bank overalls 87000 Branch
7. Each every single man Effected
8. Ignore future Death million of already Death
9. Million of People Wounded
10. Global environment climate will be change this will lead Global Agriculture problem
Copy.
A. International criminal court. B. white house. global human right association .C.IMF
D. euro union. E. united nation F.ALL international famous press and media
JUSTICE IS IN PERIL. SAVIOUR OF INTERNATIONAL JUSTICE ALONE CAN PROTECT HUMANITY
From. Mr.M.S.Mohamed Ansari,
154, Angappa Naicken Street,
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INDIA..
To , The Hon’ble Chief Justice,
The Supreme Court,
United States of America,
Washington, D.C.
Fax no: 213.547.8080
Dear Sir,
Sub: Prosecution of previous President Mr. George W.Bush, for violation of International Code of Conduct.
Mr. George W.Bush, the previous President of United States of America, initiated a war against IRAQ, without obtaining the previous sanction of United Nations Organization (UNO) on the pretext of having nuclear weapons, even though the then IRAQ government openly exhibited to the whole world that it has no nuclear weapons.
According to the CNN WORLD report, in the war 6, 75,000 civilians killed, 7500 troops of USA and its allied forces killed 3 25 000 people wounded and $ 3.5 Trillion Dollar spent for the war. This spending of $ 3.5 Trillion Dollar is the main cause of action for the present economic crises prevailing all over the world.
After winning the war against IRAQ, the United States of America’s President Mr. George W.Bush, also admitted the same fact, and he openly stated that the Intelligence agency misguided him.
Later on, even the United Nations Organization (UNO) also certified that the IRAQ has no nuclear weapons.
Then it is the bounded duty of the United States of America and its allied forces to withdraw from IRAQ.
But instead of withdrawing from IRAQ, the United States of America and its allied forces formed a government in IRAQ, under their control and administered the entire IRAQ, and its peoples.
This indicates a clear violation of duty by the President of United States of America Mr. George W.Bush and also a clear case of violation of the International Code of Conduct for UNO members.
Thus Mr. George W.Bush attracts prosecution for the above said offence.
Thus I hereby pray this Hon’ble Court initiate criminal proceedings against Mr. George W. Bush, and give him maximum punishment for
a) initiating the war against the IRAQ
b) killing its innocent IRAQI peoples civilian 6, 75 000
c) Killing troops of USA and allied forces and 7 500
d) The present economic crises.
e) 3 25 000 civilian and coalition 39 000 wounded
Dated on this day of 13th day of April, 2009.
Yours truly, (M.S.MOHAMED ANSARI)
COPY TO
The Chief Justice, the International Court of Justice, The Hague, Netherlands.
The Secretary General United Nations Organization
The Chief Justice, the Supreme Court, IRAQ.
His Excellency Mr.Barack Obama, the President of United States of America, White House, Washington D.C.
Nobody reads a post that long.
Yep yep
The topic was supposed to be the Catholic Church.
Wow !! You need a woman or a hobby pronto !!
This is just signs of the End times, i mean, even till the very last minute, people still didnt believe Noah, even though they saw him build and fill up the ark, the bible says, during the end times the love of many shall wax cold, and it seems nobody is actually seeing what is going on here, the devil is trying to keep people from God, and what does he do? he attacks the majority, First the catholic church with absurd accusations to make the 1.3 billion faithful doubt their faith, and then Islam, where the devil is trying to make Islam synonymous with Terrorism, all this during a period in which gay marriages are becoming welcomed and a common thing, people fight with the top of their lungs to own weapons of destruction like guns, even though they clearly see the evil in it, countries starve the population to finance nuclear programs, and the value of life is now less than that of a metallic grenade pin.,
if the people of the world would wake up, open their eyes and see what really is going on, and repent before its too late.
Lord God, please save your people.
Lord Jesus Christ i place all my trust in you.
Have you tried lithium yet?
I still don't believe Noah.
Even today nobody with a brain believes in Noah, never mind the "end times". Just do the math and you will realize there is no possible way for any of that story to be close to true. It's a child's story, only believed by people with the minds of children.
People have been predicting the end times happening immediately, ever since before the Bible was put down on paper – the early Christians were told it was happening in their lifetime, and had far more 'signs' than we do. Same old same old.
When you look for signs, you see them, anytime. So why are you so hoping for the world to end, and billions of people to be condemned to torture that is unimaginably horrible and worse than anything in this world? Seems a sick thing to look forward to.
To me, Noah's story is simply an allegory. Like Gulliver's travels.
Orientation has been questioned in the recent past wonder if the same issue was there in history to me its more of how one is internally its common to see exceptions in this but overall lets not create new rules for the same its always a hot and debatable topic as who is right and who is wrong well then have a look at the majority and have the bills passed accordingly new centuries and new challenges wonder how far we can go to change them to suit our need....
I really admire Amanpour. I do. I admire her courage, her deep knowledge of current affairs, etc. But then, she fails to see that sometimes she overdoes it: If she really wanted to show the true state of affairs in the Catholic Church, why interviewing a former friar, who is openly gay (and therefore should, by the rules of the Church, have never been a friar.) Naturally this person will see the world through his warped vision: "Half of the priests are gay", he says. Does it not look as not being very objective? Should we not give room to thinking that perhaps there are people who really love Christ and who truly want to give their lives for others in a life of celibacy? Why should we fall into the trap of thinking that it cannot possibly be true that people actually believe the teachings of the Catholic Church, which they hold as the true church founded by Christ, in spite of their personal shortcomings? I am a muslim educated in a Catholic school, and I have witnessed the sacrifice of these people first hand. They did not force me to become a Catholic, and I did not. But I have a deep respect for their beliefs which translate into service to others, into making this world a better place.
good response and quite right about the former friar's objectivity.
Thank you, great response.
Naturally this person will see the world through his warped vision...
Nothing warped about this mans vision.
I would not have been able to find a better answer as you did. i have priests in my family who have spent their lives amongst the tribals in India and far of villages where most in their right sense would not dare to venture.
Celibacy is not just related to being married or not married, celibacy is basically giving up what you crave the most and finding greater love in the joys of others
Your response resonated with me. As a child I grew up in the Catholic faith with a single mom who always said "as long as you believe in God , that is the main thing". So I grew up to join the Baha'i Faith and felt perfectly comfortable doing so, because my mom had, in a way, laid out the unity principle, that there is one God and whatever we believe is okay, as long as we believe in God.
I am not unhappy that things are being uncovered that lead to a questioning/weakening of authority in the Catholic Church.....the truth needs to be told and all the Catholic body needs to grow up and think a bit for themselves.
“He understood how deep this problem was,” Politi said. “But he has not had the courage to order all the bishops to open the archives to see the hidden victims, which are still thousands and thousands all over the world.”
The Pope is a coward and needs to be held responsible. He is possibly the only man on earth that knows the full extent of the child rape problem. He was John Paul II's point man on this problem and he has sat on the info instead of giving it to local authorities for investigation. For that he should go to prison for covering up thousands of cases of child rape.
Perhaps the scale of the scandal is so big the pope is worried it would destroy the church if he were to do so.
In which case, it should. Any church that can't survive if the truth is known should not survive.
The catholic church is an antiquated organization at best, and looks more and more like a fund raising and protectionist organization for pedophiles each day.
Absolute power corrupts. Corruption is rot and decay. Rome is once again falling. Only this time it is not the Pagan Rome. It won't fall all at once – but it will either evolve or turn to dust by going underground or losing most of its following.
CNN AND AMANPOUR PLEASE LEAVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ALONE AND LOOK FOR OTHER ISSUES TO REPORT WITH YOUR BIASED SECTIONALISED JOURNALISM? Ure negetive reporting can never affect the strong church of God and its valhes.
Dont like the message so you shoot the messenger.
Fool.
Sounds like the truth hurts a bit, eh?
The Pope is resigning because of a Gay Plank at the Vatican which wants the Church to grant amnesty to all Gay priests and to stop prosecuting Gay Men. Sad but true.
CNN is loving this. They eat up any opportunity to attack religious Christians.
So you're saying that exposing corruption and hypocrisy in the Catholic Church is "attacking religious Christians?"
I wholly agree. Its fodder for them against an Organization they've never lacked. Why didnt they cover America's phony war in Iraq with the same vigour? Hypocrites. THEY WILL FAIL.
Agreed
Hey, it's not just CNN, it's all of us with functioning brains. Anyone who has the ability to reason and deal with reality will root for the destruction of rubbish like this.
The Church has always been about power, and that remains true today. In Köln Catholic hospitals turned away a rape victim. Can you see Jesus doing that? In the US the Church openly lobbies to restrict the rights of the LGBTQ community. Can you see Jesus doing that? In short, the Church is not remotely about the things their supposed founder supported. It is, instead, all about power, and always has been. Today, the situation is much the same, and the real fear inside the Church...inside the Vatican...is the fear of losing power, not any concern for the people who seek moral guidance. Sooner or later folks are going to figure that out, but it's becoming more and more obvious every day.
Whether your an atheist, or not. Based on what the Bibles says, there is no "CATHOLIC Church". There is only ONE Church (and if people would dust off their bibles a read it they'll see FOR THEMSELVES instead of just believing what they’ve been told by “priest” ) The ONE AND ONLY Church was founded by Jesus Christ, upon the confession of Peter that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God. The Church began on the day of Pentecost When 3000 people were filled with the Spirit of God. Now, again whether you believe the bible, or you think is a fairy tale. That up to you. I am NOT going to debate, or condemn anyone. BUT THIS is what the bible says, and this CAN NOT be refuted. There is NO pope in the Bible, there is NO Cardinals in the Bible. There is NO MAN but Jesus Christ that was EVER called “Holy Father”, NOBODY EVER prayed to Marry, ONLY to Jesus Christ who claimed to be God wrapped in flash. Just need to set the record straight for those who don’t know. For those who may not have the time to read the Bible for themselves. These things are NOT found in the bible These group of men are "Catholics" that’s it. Anything that’s outside of the teachings of Jesus Christ, and his disciples is 1000% FALSE. Again, whether you believe the bible or not this is what its says about the “Church”. The catholic organization have adulterated Christianity, and ANYONE who reads the bible, being an Atheist or not would CLEARLY see.
Actually, the word catholic means "Universal", as in one church. The very example you give is the basis of Catholicism. What people do not realize is that there is a real Catholic and Apostolic church in the Eastern Orthodox. The original church had 5 major capitals, Rome being highest in honor. Rome decided that they should be highest in power as well, and we get the Schism. Rome did a fairly good job at eradicating any ties or memory of the east, and the traditions of the Church prior to 1066. Let me assure you that the Orthodox do not have these issues in their priesthood. That's because there is no power in becoming a priest, and the highest ranks are of honor, not power. Just posting this in case anyone would want to be informed of the history of Christianity, and learning about their religion, instead of relying on their own interpretations and insights from the Holy Bible.
Well said. I believe the Roman Catholic Church would do well to move closer to its Eastern Orthodox roots, especially concerning the ordination of married men to the priesthood. The vast majority of Christians are ignorant with respect to the history of Christianity. The Church, (Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant) is under attack from internal and external forces. That which God gives to man, Satan seeks to destroy through perversion and corruption. Atheist are quick to point out the failures of Christians in general, and the Roman Catholic Church in particular; however, I know of no great universities, hospitals, or missions, or any organization built and supported by atheist for the advancement and welfare of mankind. Moreover, I never ceased to be amazed how some Protestants criticize the Roman Catholic Church for being “non-biblical” when it is the very church that organized and protected sacred scripture. The bible did not fall out of the sky. It was written by men who were inspired by God but it was the Church, through prayer and the Holy Spirit that decided what texts, out of dozens were in fact the inspired word of God. As a Christian and a Roman Catholic, I am deeply offended and troubled by what is happening at the highest levels of our church and our government; however, my faith remains in Christ and so my response is to pray and to continue to “fight the good fight of the faith” knowing that our God does not judge according to human terms, standards and understanding but according to His power, which is beyond human comprehension, to see what is truly in each person’s heart.
For my brothers and sisters who are atheist and choose not to believe in God or His wisdom, maybe you will at least give consideration to the words of the father of our country, George Washington, in his farewell address:
“Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”
The "books" that we recognize as part of the Bible were chosen by church leaders, while other "books" were not included in the Bible—the Gnostic Gospels and other pieces of literature. So, can we even believe everything in the Bible, since the content was decided on by a group of mortals.
Sola Scriptura is not in the Bible. There was no official canon at the time of Jesus and the disciples, and not even at the time of Paul. If you can't trust *mere men*, how do you know that the Bible is even true? The Church fathers *who referred to the Catholic Church* decided what was in the canon and what wasn't. They wrote the earliest liturgies and decided how penance was to be performed. They also preached that babies were baptized, that the Eucharist is Christ's literal flesh, that schisms and breakaway denominations were not of God. And at that time, asking Mary to pray for us was as Biblical as asking any other Christian to pray for us. Why trust those men with canon of Scripture if you stand against many of their other teachings? You speak like an ignorant fundamentalist.
It's hard to understand why anyone continues to be associated with this organization.
It appears the phony product they sell, eternal life in heaven, is too seductive to resist.
I find it hard to believe that 50% of priests entering the priesthood are gay. That is seriously over inflated since a recent national poll showed nationally, at best, 10% of people claimed to be gay.
Christ is purging the church, this is only the beginning...
I think that was the point. There are a lot more gays in the preisthood than there are in the rest of the population.
Don't forget the number of senior lay staff who happen to be gay that have been hired by these guys.
Why people remain catholic or join this organized religion promoted by the largest criminal organization on Earth is beyond comprehension.
Each to his own. Personally,I believe religion has caused much more suffering than joy. I have nothing against faith;I have a lot against religion.
...and faith without religion is....what again?
...and faith without religion is....what again?
Science.
Common sense!
CNN, will you please stop calling him "the Archbishop of Scotland"?
There are a number of Catholic archbishops for different parts of Scotland. O'Brien was the Archbishop of Edinburgh and St Andrews, not the whole of Scotland. The thing that differentiates him is that he was also a cardinal – the only one in the UK at the moment.
As for this story itself – he has been an outspoken and vitriolic bully towards gay people for decades. Now we know he's a hypocrite as well. Good riddance.
CNN themselves have some hidden agenda is all this. I was expecting this kind of coverage over people killed as collateral damage in drone strikes...am still waiting.
Thank you, I agree.
Church has a scandal.
CNN reports it.
Bad CNN.
You people are idiots.
TAX the CHURCHES. TAX the Business's owned by the CHURCHES.. They are no different than the rest of us. They break laws but dont have to pay for them like we do. They hide under secrecy .. This type of stuff occurs in all walks of religion. They should be taxed like the rest of us, especially when they break laws.
Which Churches, All Churches? Would that include the Mormons, Amish......
the catholic church is the anti christ
Agreed
...and America is the pro-Christ...Gimme a break.
lol. I thought that was the Southern Baptist church. They fought for slavery and have treated their womens like crappola. Definitely anti Christian.
Well to everyone that every said the church was full of gay child molesters and was ridiculed, here's your vindication.
A more liberal Pope? Don't count on it. The College of Cardinals is overwhelmingly full of ultra conservative fundamentalists. They will elect one of their own. And that may be just as well for those of us who wish to see the Church's influence diminish.
The press gives more credence and time to this than they do to all the lies and crimes of Obama and his administration
You really should have that brain tumor looked at.
I did, I did! They gave me a sucker and told me everything would be just fine with the world. But they lied.
Catholic Church is a contradiction in faith. Want to keep children safe but hide molesting priests. Against gay marriage but have gay priests and in some dioceses have hired senior lay staff who are gay. Gay teachers in Catholic schools. You can’t hate the sin and love the sinner by inviting them to lead the church. Who’s misleading whom?
The Catholic Church doesn't bar celibate gays.
Look dude, there are over a billion Catholics. A billion Catholics!! How much babysitting can the Vatican do over 1 billion Catholics?! Do you honestly want to blame the existence of gay priests on the Magisterium? Is it the Magisterium's fault that they're gay?
I BELIEVE IN GOD, THE FATHER ALMIGHTY. This not the basis for my belief but to not believe in what the Bible tells us is to believe that a great conspiracy began around 4BCE.
When I walk in a great church in Europe, something I have done many times, I can't help but think about how many of those saints and other great cardinals featured in statues within the church may have been child molesters and other kinds of child abusers. I have no doubt that the Catholic church has been a nest of pedophiles for centuries.
is the world today going anticlock wise?if the great men of God, the leaders of church, the people we look up to (the cardinals) can nolonger tell themselves the truth that celbacy have failed them, wunded the catholic christian and left the church with somany questions.OH my God, who is fooling who?
It is a men's club after all. The next pope should be a nun.
Amen!
If a private corporation committed crimes as horrible as the Catholic Church, they would be charged with criminal acts and put out of business! Why do so many good people continue to support such a criminal empire?
The public education system in America has far more pedophiles than the Catholic Church does. Do you think that all teachers should be imprisoned and fined because of the abuse at the hands of a few percent? Your logic is very flawed.
I believe the Roman Catholic Church would do well to move closer to its Eastern Orthodox roots, especially concerning the ordination of married men to the priesthood. The vast majority of Christians are ignorant with respect to the history of Christianity. The Church, (Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant) is under attack from internal and external forces. That which God gives to man, Satan seeks to destroy through perversion and corruption. Atheist are quick to point out the failures of Christians in general, and the Roman Catholic Church in particular; however, I know of no great universities, hospitals, or missions, or any organization built and supported by atheist for the advancement and welfare of mankind. Moreover, I never ceased to be amazed how some Protestants criticize the Roman Catholic Church for being “non-biblical” when it is the very church that organized and protected sacred scripture. The bible did not fall out of the sky. It was written by men who were inspired by God but it was the Church, through prayer and the Holy Spirit that decided what texts, out of dozens were in fact the inspired word of God. As a Christian and a Roman Catholic, I am deeply offended and troubled by what is happening at the highest levels of our church and our government; however, my faith remains in Christ and so my response is to pray and to continue to “fight the good fight of the faith” knowing that our God does not judge according to human terms, standards and understanding but according to His power, which is beyond human comprehension, to see what is truly in each person’s heart.
For my brothers and sisters who are atheist and choose not to believe in God or His wisdom, maybe you will at least give consideration to the words of the father of our country, George Washington, in his farewell address:
“Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”
Brian, have you forgotten what the church did to people in the middle ages who even possessed a bible?
You’re not looking at the big picture, my friend. Yes, the Church has many dark moments in its history, however, overall the Church has been a positive effect on people’s lives. Before Jesus, the world was wicked and lacked love or forgiveness. Today, there still are many evil occurrences but overall people in general are loving and forgiving creatures – and that is due to the Church and Jesus.
So well put Brian. And I believe eventually the Church will bring back married priests. It's going to happen eventually. And it will be fantastic. There won't be such shortages any more.
Journalist Marco Politi is an ignorant man, and Amanpour’s questions are ridiculous. To imply that the Pope has no leadership skills, and this is why he is stepping down is idiotic beyond belief. The Pope is stepping down because he is 85 years old. Only three Popes in all of papal history have been older. Name one world leader today who is leading a state, church or major international organization who is as old as the Pope or older? Seen in this context, Benedict’s service at his age has been nothing short of extraordinary.
Well said – GOD Bless Pope Benedict VI – he truly was a shining beacon in a tumultous world.
A shining beacon? Really? A shining beacon of what?
"TICKING BOMB" is all Kingdom of the Cults including cult of humanism/atheism,...the clash of ideologies will form world war 3/armageddon, that's what fallen spirits/devils want .
"He was lying awake at night sweating - under Big Daddy Tom Rosicheeks."
Funny – my post from this morning isn't there! But to a little consolence I could see Germans in Christians programme tonight coming to Rome to visit the last ceremonies of their pope. But where is my comment?
I'm so happy that all of these scandals are finally coming out, all at once, only the followers of the catholic church don't know about how dirty is this organization....... From before Constantine became a pagan Christian. Finally they will fall completely for been against God.
Christiane Amanpour you are the best!! I love soooo much love you! The best objective journalism ever.
Sorry I need to correct myself.
Christiane Amanpour you are the best!! I love you soooo much ! The best objective journalism ever.
what will happen ,when we all find out that there is no such thing as a GOD
The next Pope should be from Latin-America or from Africa. Enough of Catholic unbalanced college of cardinals . We have had enough of hundreds of centuries of Popes pumping out from western atmosphere. The Papacy is not a position alone for the WHITE catholic MEN, enough of that! For the catholic church to make a real bold statement of change, the Cardinals should make that step by voting in a qualified cardinal from Asia, Latin-America or Africa. Any other thing else this time, would be a trendy orientation towards the unspeakable topic of racism among the elites of the catholic church.So as also to many years of pedophilia denial and guy activities in the catholic church.
"In all, Europe will have 61 electors, or more than half of the total, and North and South America have another 33. The remaining cardinals from Africa, Asia and Oceania will bring only 23 votes combined."
Again why should Europe have 61 Cardinal votes, whereas Africa, Asian and Oceania have just 23 votes. Asian, Africa, and South America have just about two third 2/3 of the world population and also accounted for about 2/3 of all catholics across the globe only have 35 electorial Cardinals. North America with just 16% has 17 electorial Cardinals.
The college of Cardinals is unbalanced and it is not a qualified attribute as to the distribution and representation of the quotas of members of the catholic church across the globe. South America has 28% of all catholics across the world and had only 13 electorial Cardinals. Europe 26.4% has over half of the electorial Cardinals (66) of them.
We already have Oppression by the Western world in the United nation "think of the persistent members of the United Nation security council" not a single "South American nation and not one single African nation". The last place we should again observed such oppression should be in the Catholic Church.
A ticking time bomb? Seriously? Didn't that bomb go off years ago??
Who erased my two posts on this subject of the 28. of February ?
The Vatican ?
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It tells a story of how these "agents" are trying to turn us into machines. We are closer then ever before for this to become a reality when they cause us to receive an implantable microchip in our body during a time when physical money will be no more.
You may have seen on NBC news concerning the implantable RFID microchip that some people are getting put in their hand to make purchases, but did you know this microchip matches perfectly with prophecy in the Bible?
"He (the false prophet who deceives many by his miracles) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name...
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...Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666" (Revelation 13:16-18 NKJV).
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GOD is sending out His end time warning:
"Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, 'If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name'" (Revelation 14:9-11).
In the Islamic religion they have man called the Mahdi who is known as their messiah of whom they are waiting to take the stage. There are many testimonies from people online who believe this man will be Barack Obama who is to be the biblical Antichrist based off dreams they have received. I myself have had strange dreams about him like no other person. So much so that I decided to share this information.
He came on stage claiming to be a Christian with no affiliation to the Muslim faith...
"In our lives, Michelle and I have been strengthened by our Christian faith. But there have been times where my faith has been questioned - by people who don't know me - or they've said that I adhere to a different religion, as if that were somehow a bad thing," – Barack Obama
...but was later revealed by his own family members that he indeed is a devout Muslim.
So what's in the name? The meaning of someones name can say a lot about a person. God throughout history has given names to people that have a specific meaning tied to their lives. How about the name Barack Obama? Let us take a look at what may be hiding beneath the surface...
"And He (Jesus) said to them (His disciples), 'I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven'" (Luke 10:18).
In the Hebrew language we can uncover the meaning behind the name Barack Obama.
Barack, also transliterated as Baraq, in Hebrew is: lightning
baraq – Biblical definition:
From Strongs H1299; lightning; by analogy a gleam; concretely a flashing sword: – bright, glitter (-ing, sword), lightning. (Strongs Hebrew word H1300 baraq baw-rawk')
Barak 'O'bamah, The use of bamah is used to refer to the "heights" of Heaven.
bamah – Biblical definition:
From an unused root (meaning to be high); an elevation: – height, high place, wave. (Strongs Hebrew word H1116 bamah baw-maw')
The day following the election of Barack Obama (11/04/08), the winning pick 3 lotto numbers in Illinois (Obama's home state) for 11/5/08 were 666.
Obama was a U.S. senator for Illinois, and his zip code was 60606.
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