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Brazil’s FM: This isn’t like Turkey’s protests
By Samuel Burke, CNN
Brazil is in the throes of massive protests, but its foreign minister does not think that his country will see the type of violence and confrontation that Turkey has seen in the past weeks.
“I think it’s a different situation; the manifestations have been peaceful, predominately,” Antonio Patriota told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour on Wednesday in an exclusive interview.
But federal riot police have been sent to five major cities.
“There may be episodes of violence here and there and, of course, the security forces have to be prepared because there are large numbers of people involved,” Patriota told Amanpour. “And our expectation is that they will continue to manifest in a peaceful way.”
Echoing statements from President Dilma Rousseff, the foreign minister said in a calm tone that Brazil is a stronger country because of the protests, and that these demonstrations are all part of the democratic process.
“Her government has lifted millions out of the poverty and joined the middle class,” he said of the administrations of Rousseff and former President Lula da Silva. “And it’s natural that rising living conditions should give rise to higher expectations.”
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Either Mr. Patriot can't speak English, or the reporter wrote "predominately" out of his ignorance of the English language.
Interesting how you worry more about how a word was written rather than to make an intelligent commentary about the critical situation Brazil is going through.
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Just exactly so !
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To the issue, most politicians across the world are made from trhe same mold - Just the deco varies a little.
mr patriota is correct, the protesters are peaceful, but, with 250 thousand people on the streets, professional political agitators and testosterone abusers, like Mr Oliveira, a 20 year old martial arts expert who led the attack on Sao Paulo City Hall 2 days ago, have the opportunity to loot and destroy public and private property.
i would recommend that you, mr martins, take to the streets tonite and find out what is happening, before speaking of what you know nothing about.
you will hear two chants: "no violence" (sem violencia) and "tomorrow we will have more people" (amanha vai ser maior).
He is right, situation is much worse than Turkey...
Absolutely correct. It is much worse
The Brazilian people are showing to the world that the politicians do not represent the overwhelming majority of the population.
A more powerful challenge to the regime came from disgruntled young military officers. Many of these officers supported social reform, but they were also concerned about their professional status. They believed that the civilian government had neglected the army, which struggled with poor equipment, outdated training, and slim prospects for promotion of officers. On July 5, 1922, a group of young officers known as tenentes (lieutenants) staged a revolt in Rio de Janeiro against the government. The revolt was unsuccessful, but two years later a more serious uprising by tenentes in Sao Paulo shook the foundations of the regime for several weeks before government forces suppressed it. By the late 1920s the challenges of army officers, middle-class groups, and urban workers threatened the stability of the regime.
Riots began in Sao Paulo a few weeks ago when public administrators decided to raise bus fares. The raise was less than US$ 0.07 but it was enough to spread to other cities in Brazil. Being Brazilian, I can relate. People are seeing millions of Reais (Brazilian currency) being spent on soccer stadiums and hospitals, schools as well as other public service areas are left with nothing. Human dignity has reached as low as it could get in Brazil. People are taking the streets because they have no other option. Public transportation is a shame, food is expensive, people stay in line for months to get help from Public hospitals and this is money they pay. Brazil is one of the highest tax policies in the world. It is a shame! Everybody is taking the streets hoping something will change. They will not stop until they see a more transparent government, more tax money being spent wisely and the existing social gap narrowing. There a very few with too much and the majority with NOTHING. Even they passion for soccer is now on hold.
said all, Brazil thanks
Same story everywhere. The only real change will happen when we all unite against widespread government tyranny.
I think we are way past the point of political reform meaning that someone can come and fix our current state of our world because WE ALL have chosen live lives that destroy the enviroment that increases global warming and our world population continous to increase exponentional and NO body will be able to fix this no body.
I cannot say if Brazil is like or not like Turkey, but I can say it's a lot like Greece. No offense, but you are some of the laziest peoples I have seen. If you have financial woes, and color me unsurprised that you do, maybe putting in a honest day's work every once in a while, instead of complaining non-stop, might help.
Janet I have no idea where you are from but it's clear to me that you don't know nothing about Brazil.
I have been to greece and brasil and Greeks are not only lazy but they like luxury Prada fancy cars tours planes I m speaking about the average person. Brasil is very expenvie and the average wage is crap and no social benefits. THis why greece will crash first and it would crash hard because when germany stops giving you money and you have no more social benefits I feel sorry for greeks
Greeks work the 4th most amount of hours per year in the world. Look up the facts before you embarrass yourself.
http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DatasetCode=ANHRS
Maybe Greeks work longer hours, but they're not as productive. And too many Greeks live outside their means (Prada Gucci, Dolce and Gaba clothes, expensive cars etc etc etc), if you don't think there's a problem then you need to check your facts!
How many people have You really "seen"? We're not lazy! We work very hard but across the centuries we're exploited by other people who work harder than us and built empires. Brazilian way of life is to live and let live. Greece is the mother of democracy. Turkey was once one the great empires on earth. Brazil used to be the "Country" of the Future. Well, the Future is now. You"ll have the opportunity to know us. Nice to meet You!
Greeks are the most hard-working Europeans working an average 42,5 hours per week according to the official european statistics review.
Im sorry to ruin yr stereotypes which of course are based on nothing, but you should -and all the others who follow such stereotypes- learn the facts first, and then write in public fora.
Janet, you clearly don't know Brazil. We work much more than europeans. The problem is not that. We have to find a way to get rid of corrupted politicians, and vote, so far, is not working...
Que comentário mais preconceituoso. Você quer dizer que reclamar é coisa de preguiçoso?
What most prejudiced commentary. Did you mean that someone to complain about abuses is lazy?
As an American living in Brasil, I can say that the Brasilian people are far from lazy. I'm not sure how you came up with that, but it is clear you dont know a thing about Brasilian people.
Nice words!!!! As a Brazilian, that lives in Rio, it´s almost impossible to live here. Everything is too expensive, even de most cheap and essencial food! I´m leaving downtown Rio (as many young people I know) and going back to my parents home because it´s so hard to pay the bills that increase every day more, because World Cup and Olympics Games. I´m sick and tired of all this things.
Hmm, yeah.. Brazil is different than Turkey. In Turkey, the current prime minister was the main pushing power behind unprecedented reforms which:
– tripled the per capita incolme,
– ended long lines in hospitals, social secity departments, pharmacies,
– lowered the medicine prices by up to 90%,
– started massive housing projects to enable lower income groups and ordinary people have their own homes with favorable installments,
– lowered bank interests to historic levels,
– increased exports by five fold,
– accepted the atoricities towards the Kurdish minority and gave the Kurds and other minorities their basic rights,
– put his political career at risk to enf a 30 year war with PKK,
– made tons of new public projects making roads, public transportation, social facilties .. usable by all people..
and so on and son..
You're right. Turkey's economic growth is fascinating. I think Turkey and Brazil's situation is totally different. I don't know about Brazil's economy but Turkey's economy is one of the fastest growing economy among the developing and developed countries but interestingly some people still do not pleased in Turkey. They should visiti Greece and then they will be very pleased and never protest again 🙂
Just a heads-up to people who read the above claims by "Kepaze". They're one-sided and look like they're from a propaganda brochure.
There are facts which are undebateable, and one of which is that the GDP per capita only increased by 41% between 2002-2011. It MOST DEFINITELY has not tripled. (Source: World Bank and basic Macroeconomics knowledge)
I recommend that you take a look at this report to get to the bottom of it. http://www.santacs.com/Demystifying%20Turkish%20Economic%20Success.pdf
On and he might have forgotton to mention these other "reforms" by the Turkish PM:
– A lot of those "massive housing projects" were exclusively awarded to his supporters with special permits to build on restricted land. Same goes for all the infrastructure projects
– Sold off every single public asset that the country to pay off debt, however the debt still has increased. Imagine what would have happened if he didn't sell those assets?
– He gained control over the mainstream media and practices unbelievable levels of censorship and biased publishing by:
– using his political power and state funding to allow his close supporters to buy the media companies or
– coercing other media outlets through insanely high tax fines, cutting other revenue streams by purposefully not awarding government tenders to the parent companies
– Imports increased faster than exports, which indicates that Turkey is not creating new value in the industry
– Jailed more journalists than any other country in the world
– Detained academicians, journalists, politicians, writers for many years (still ongoing) without any conviction
– Continuously oppressed the people and forced everyone into a single way of life. He directly tells people to:
– have at least 3 kids
– not have abortions
– not have c-section
– not display affection in public with your partner (kissing or handholding is scorned upon)
– not criticise him or his government
– not speak or publish your thoughts if they're against his (otherwise you'll be jailed)
– be religious Muslims and you may only belong to his school, Sunni. Other schools of Islam are discriminated against
– Openly and unfairly insults people who have not voted for him
– Openly states that he thinks being voted for means that people must UNCONDITIONALLY accept whatever he pleases to do
Just my two cents. Best regards
The difference is people in Turkey aren't protesting because of the financial situation – they're protesting against the ruling party and it's rhetoric. They are protesting against an Islamic government dictating to them how they should live. That's why it is incompairable .- the brasilians are angry that the government spends so much on stadiums and doesnt help them with their cost of living.
Stop insulting our intelligence. The rest of the world is not brainwashed like you and sees Erdogan for what he is.
Erdogan has narcissistic personality disorder, suffers from paranoia, sees everything in black and white, believes that he is on a mission from god to turn Turkey into an islamic republic, and believes that whoever opposes him is an enemy of him and therefore an enemy of god. That's why he thinks he has the right to lie this blatantly. He is a danger to the world and he is downright sinister. As a result of his megalomania, he thinks he is much smarter than everyone, an illusion enabled by the fact that he surrounded himself with hand-selected ignoramuses. Luckily he isn't too bright, and the more he talks about his insane conspiracy theories, the more votes he loses.
Except for a few people, AKP consists of incompetent illiterates who worship their master. Still, getting rid of AKP in the next election is not too realistic, but I'd prefer to see someone at least `not evil` lead the country, even if he is another islamist like Arinc. And Erdogan should be tried, along with the governor and many others.
Finally, for the other fine followers of AKP who claim that CNN was biased, even though they were filming the protests directly on Istanbul streets (while being kicked by the police at some point).. Why don't you continue watching what's going on from National Geographic? Even CNN Turk stopped broadcasting penguins after 3 people were killed by cops. There are more than 5000 injured, and 150 people are `missing`. Who do you think `lost` all these people? Who is more biased? Your media, CNN or you?
But if the economy is (arguably) good, why bother protesting, right? As if the `good` economy affected anyone other than people who are close to Erdogan and AKP. You should understand that this is about freedom and democracy (and no, calling AKP a democratic party is a joke), and we are simply not going to live by the rules designed by desert tribes, for desert tribes, 1400 years ago.
yes those are happened in .Turkey. new reforms new development however they destroyed Turkey. from now on prime minister wants to change Republic of Turkey to Islamic Republic of Turkey. No alcohol, no smoke, censor all tv programme, internet and newspaper, petrol price almost $3 (we use most expensive petrol in the world), higher tax, rich is getting rich, poor is getting poor.
You're lack of many others.
+arrested many journalists
+tried to change lives of his youth
+tries to destroy Atatürk's legacy in every chase
+deceives his citizens like you with one sided statistics with the help of his stolen media
+ARE YOU AWARE OF UNEMPLOYMENT IN TURKEY, PLEASE TRY TO BE MORE REALISTIC!!
you are talking lack of many things!!
+arrested all of the journalists from different views
+tried to change lives of his own youth
+tries to destroy Atatürk's legacy in every chance
+inflicted too much violence towards democratic reactions
++deceives his citizens like you with his one sided statistics with the help of his purchased media
+I can go on till morning but first answer:
ARE YOU AWARE OF UNEMPLOYMENT IN TURKEY, PLEASE TRY TO BE MORE REALISTIC!!
For the record, the "protestors" (the noisy opponents of the current government in Turkey) are mostly Kamalists. They ruled the country between 1923-1950 without any elections. It was a fascist and racist government and the Kamalist literature of the 1930s brags about the fact that Kamalism was an inspiring source for Hitler and Mussolini. They denied the existence of Kurds in the country until very recently (some still do). It is the current democratically elected government and PM Erdoğan that ended the decades long bloodshed caused by the racist/fascist/irreligious ideology of the currently uprising crowd. Anybody who ascribes any purpose that is moral or worthy to the crowd in question is either an absolute ignoramus or a shameful liar. What we have here is -mostly- a racist/fascist/irreligious section of the society that lost all hope of winning an election and sees destabilizing the country as the only way to overthrow or to weaken the current government. They failed.
@RichardWilson I wish your two cents piece had involved at least two brain cell. Keep your lies to yourself ! I am a Turk and like majority I support our PM Erdogan till the end.
According to the Turkey Statistical Agency,
a. In 2002, Turkey's GDP as 231 billion dollars and in 2012 Turkey's GDP has almost quadrupled to 786 billion US dollars.
b. The economy has had steady growth under the Erdoğan administration with an average annual real GDP % growth rate of 5% (better than the USA and most other European and Asian countries).
c. IN 2012, Turkey had become the 16th largest economy in the world.
d. In 2012, Turkey was the 6th largest economy within Europe and ranked as 13th in the world in terms attractiveness for foreign direct investment.
e. From 2002 to 2012, Turkish exports had increased 325%.
f. 31.8 million foreign tourists visited our country last year.
g. Every year, Turkey graduates 600,000 new people from 170 universities.
h. Every year, 700, 000 people graduate from vocational and technical high schools or regular high schools.
i. It takes a company an average of 6 days to get set up in Turkey.
j. There 33,000 foreign-owned companies in TUrkey.
k. Corporate Income tax has been reduced from 33% to 20% to stimulate investment–something even the USA cannot match.
L. Turkey has a Free Trade Agreement with 22 countries..
M. International credit rating agencies such Moody's, Fitch, JCD have all given investment grade ratings to TUrkey.
Very true story. This is the real brazil, not carnaval, soccer, and women's ass.
ERRATA:
... Brazil has one of the highest tax policies in the world ... Even their passion for soccer is now on hold.
Sorry about that! If you were Brazilian, you would understand. This is a rather emotional subject for those who live month by month counting their cents.
the Turkey protests were not violent, the violence came from the police trying to break them up and round people up. The Brazilian minister should know better.
It was violent, not because of police but because of people who damaged public property. I think Turkish police should have done a better job protecting tax payer's money and property. hope people who gave billions of damage will be prosecuted.
Oha abi sen kafayi yemissin
Ağzına sağlık @Stu +1 verdim şukunu!.. "Shame on you" @Barış!.. Lanet!.. Lanet olası!.. Git kendini Lanetle!..
It was NOT violent, until the police intervened with brute force. Most of the public property, especially the cars on the streets, were damaged because of the tear gas canisters fired by the police. There are also rumors about how civil police damaged properties, stores for provocation purposes. Still, the protesters walked on the streets with nothing but their slogans. With all due respect to Brazilian protesters, nobody in Turkey tried to set the assembly on fire. If it had been so, we can all guess that the police would start using real guns. Yet, look how Brazilian president supports her people. She is a true leader. So think and speak carefully when you are comparing two protests in terms of violence.
Protests were violent only because police was violent and the Turkish PM was not as understanding as his Brazilian counterparts. 4 people have been killed. 3 protesters by police brutality, and one police officer, who fell because of ill signed construction hole, note because of protesters. Further, 11 people have lost one of their eyes, AGAIN because of police using their pepper spray guns as weapons, and not as they are intended.
Thousands of people are now destroying shops near our home. Has no police. It is a lot of violence.
CNN whom you know very well that works. always making lie news. Turkey and Brazil are also going to end debt to IMF. We are aware of these games ....
One of PM supporter fan is commenting here. What a shame! 4 people killed by police. Google "standing man" keywords see what's going on in Turkey. Who is the fascist leader/commander of those riots? There is no place for a fascist Leader in world.
In Turkey, the secular part of society is worried about the State's Secular Unit.They think that Erdogan will convert the republic into İslamic Republic.Economic indicaations has been positive in last decade, so protests is not about economy.Protesters tried to get down Erdogan by manipulating crowds.I didn't vote for Erdogan but, everyone should know that there is democracy in Turkey and governments can be changed only by election.
I support the statement "this is how democracy works" but thousands of people do not organize for there health. A leader who turns a deaf ear to his people, weather it be majoity or minorty is not truly a leader and will reap what they sow.
Politicians world over seem to share a common trait: an endless capacity to lie. The protests in Turkey was not violent. Violence and damage was instigated by the police and the paramilitary thugs.
The protests in Turkey were extremely violent. They burned cars, destroyed traffic signs and street lights, banks, stores, private and public property, threw stones and fire bombs to the police and terrorized the local population. Many civilians were attacked and injured by the protestors. There are videos in yotube showing some of these. They even tried to attack the PM's house and office. It should be remembered that the violent protests in Turkey did not result from economical problems (economy has been getting better over the last 10 years) or corruption etc. The protestors are mostly Marxist-Leninist anarchists and Kamalists (a fascist/racist/irreligious minority that longs for the dictatorship between 1923-1950). Let us make the following ver clear: The protestors in Turkey are what we call "white Turks"; they consist mostly of richer and privileged sections of the society. Having no hope of winning an election against the current government, they tried to destabilize the country and weaken the government. They failed.
Dear Christiane,
My name is Milton Pires. I'm a 42 years old cardiologist doctor living in Porto Alegre, southern Brazil. A city close to 1,5 million people which is supposed to be a natural riot center for all kind of left wing movements connected with Brazilian Workers Party. Social World Forum was born in here as well as bus tickets prices protests now in the world headlines.
I'm writing these lines because something must be said in a plain and simple way about these riots provoked by punks financed by big sharks in politics. Kids fighting on the streets using Nike shoes and planning social justice by smartphones? Do you think these guys have any kind of social conscience? They were raised by middle class parents and educated in the best high schools in the country. Try to go out and ask how many protesters actually used public transportation to go to to work. You will be frustrated..
When I was a teenager, back in the 80's, we were in the streets fighting for direct elections. None of us tried to burn shops or attack the police. What goes unnoticed to the world is that Brazilian society is waiting for the final legal results of the greatest political scandal in our history. Something you, in US, called big monthly allowance – in portuguese – mensalão.
One what the most important big bosses in Workers Party, José Dirceu, has recently said that Mr.Lula da Silva will not run for president again in 14. Interestingly, he noticed that an exception should be considered – a national emergency situation in which desperate people eventually claimed for Lula's return.
Theres is no way to detach the political scene in Brazil of these riots. Doesn't matter the cause, I can assure you all of them have the same reason – to diverge public attention in a situation of decreasing economic power, serious public health problems, destroyed education facilities, and corrupted police forces. I hope people in US do realize what I said before starting public support campaigns helping these kids. Theres nothing about justice at all in their actions – only Workers Party same old witchcraft.
Greetings,
Pires, M.
MD
Porto Alegre – Brazil.
Why do you care what US folks and government think about Brazil and its internal matters. The US continues to take as much as it can from Brazil (and other nations) to sustain its own standard of living. Hard to believe that an educated person like you is so naive to believe that foreign governments and people have Brazil's best interest in mind. I hope your naiveness does not impact your ability to practice medicine.
Gaucho de POA
ricardo
Milton, you´re just saying that those "punks" who are demonstrating against high bus fares, high corruption levels, poor education levels, poor public health system, are trying "to diverge public attention in a situation of decreasing economic power, serious public health problems, destroyed education facilities, and corrupted police forces.", which doesn´t make any sense. You´re also saying that young, middle class people can´t protest against those issues, because they are young, middle class people and might not suffer everyday from many of those problems. I think you just wrote a lot of crap here. It´s everyone´s duty to fight against those social issues, rich or poor, and if you can´t accept your responsibilities as a citizen, you should refrain from posting such ignorant comments. Or just move out to another country.
If it is true what you are saying then we can say that in Turkey and Brasil SAME things happening.
Left Wing uprising backed by giant corporate sharks.
Turkish PM stands in dignity and protests turned to riot and stopped then...
Contrarily Brasil PM finds protesters right and protests turned to riot and growing up !!!...
It is not about democracy , do not you see ? It is about to take growing powers out of the game... Wake Up !
And which Giant corporate sharks are you referring to? Stop repeating Erdogans lies.
And her source is the Federal Government lol What a joke! This is like talking with Assad about the people protesting in Syria lol!
Yes it is and you are all turkeys...LOL!
you are so funny
Brazil's minimum wage of R $ 678.00 and U.S. $ 304 in U.S. dollars, and we have to pay rent, light bill and water, power, transportation and taxes of course. Shameful is not it?
Viviane when I was there recently – I kept thinking that my minimal Portuguese was even weaker than I thought when my girlfriend kept telling me the minimum wages there. Even worse is the cost of living. Food prices in the markets are almost what I pay for food here, but in Canada we are fortunate that we make a lot more – Even with Minimum wages there are social programs that do help offset things.
I was and still am in disbelief. It is a shame what is going on to such a beautiful place. Some of the rich in Brazil are literally getting away with murder.
Don't forget the 19% tax on food at the market.
This problem might be fixed through real democracy, that means direct democracy, it means people voting their own laws.
The biggest absurd in reality is the fact that we pay one of the biggest rates of taxes in the world and it is for nothing. In Europe you see that there are countries where citizens pay the same rate of taxes but it is invested in great schools, hospitals, universities...here in Brasil we have to pay the taxes AND pay for private schools, health care and others services that should be public.
The SUS, our plan of public health, is the best plan ever thought in any country. But day by day all we see is that the theory is not applied.
Where's the money of all those taxes? Fifa's world cup is just a little part of the entire iceberg. We are sinking and everybody pretend not to see.
Protests in Turkey were as less violent as can be. Otherwise any and every protest will have its share, not to be taken out of context. It is not in Turkish genes to go extreme unless they are at war with others, you will see that Turks never went beyond a certain level in their domestic riots and such throughout history. Some people may be mistaking them to Arabs and other middle eastern people but you need to read and research a little. Turkey already calmed down as we speak. Brazilian protests will, without any doubt, be more violent and result with more loss of life and properties. Words are cheap.
Dianne, you know nothing about Brazil; do some homework before speaking about the country.
Diane, I just came back from being in Joinville Brazil. I can't speak for all of Brazil, but the people in Brazil are, at least in my opinion some of the most wonderful people I've ever met. And I would live there anytime.
Going there to visit my girlfriend who is Brazilian, we were able to tour different areas. The most noticeable thing to me is the separation of wealth. It is horrific to see such passionate and kind people who are poor have to endure what they do, and do it in making next to nothing a month – Yet most do it with a smile.
When we went out to eat, the after doing the calculations the cost are similar to what we pay for food here in Canada, but poor Brazilians have to do it on a fraction of what I get paid – That a sin!
These folks who are protesting do so in peaceful yet with passion – That is a Brazilian. The only way blood shed would occur is if the police and military get out of control. Unfortunately the police have a history of corruption, and of course this stems from corrupt government. But the people themselves ( I don't care what you heard) are a loving people. You will always have those who look to cause trouble any where! Just look at the G20 summit in Canada where I live. Or my original home of Jamaica. Very loving people, but of course there will be those who can't help themselves.
It's time the government start caring about the poor in Brazil – They can only take so much. And no matter how strong they are, something has to give...People are right – This soccer things is absurd. I just hope that during the demonstrations, the police remember that's they're there to protect and not harm the people.
Obrigado Brazil for a wonderful experience.
After all that beating,off course Turkey has calm down,when Assad is doing the beating against real Sc-u-ms with weapons,it,s called peaceful protesters.
To understand why Brazil is in such a situation, you only have to search for:
FORO DE SÃO PAULO.
Genial, Cristiane..é a primeira pessoa que vejo escrever o que realmente importa ..parabéns
Bj aqui de Porto Alegre
Milton Pires
Perfeito.
Já estava na hora do povo brasileiro acordar.
punk o negócio...
Thank you Christiane for talk about what going on here in Brazil. your voice is well accepted on entire world
Cristiano
Fortaleza Brasil
Brazil is a violent, poor and dirty hellhole. That is all.
You must be from Alabama, that violent, poor, dirty hellhole.
Thanks for proving my point, loser.
You're point is that you don't know anything about this country....loser
What's uo with your response? I'm curious because you took the time to write something but you didn't elaborate. Is it from first hand experience? What part is the hellhole?
TOM DOUGLAS
Compared to Dilma, Erdogan is a cheap, ignorant thug.
So, you are a mouthpiece for the racist/elitist/irrelegious protestors who scream "we are the soldiers of Mustafa Kemal!" in Istanbul streets.
For those who come to Brazil to the world cup , Be sure to wear a bulletproof vest
and hire a couple of body guard because the government failed to protect our citizens. And welcome to our broken country !
Violence and corruption are an ingrained part of Brazilian culture.
You are correct Ross.
Violence and corruption are an ingrained part of Brazilian culture.
We call this: "jeitinho brasileiro"
Protests in Brazil: true motives !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my0D0gUPFmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTniv9WTih8
What going on in Brazil right now , is not what the Antonio Patriota told you. The truth is , during the rule of Dilma rousseff and the the previous, both brought to their team the worst politicians , all mafiosos , gangsters and the people don't accept this situation any more
As if Fernando Cardozo was not a corrupt mafioso.... lol
Whether they are similar or not, Brazil has an example of what NOT to do when the people speak. They should at least listen and try to find a common ground UNLIKE the Turkish government has!
The police should not be as violent and brutal in handling the situations with the tear gas, acid water and threats..with these considered I hope they will never be alike..at the least Turkey should be more like Brazil..more understanding, more about the people and more democratic (if they should ever learn the true meaning of it)
#direngezi & #changebrazil
after seeing these comments, realize that many criticize what is happening in Brazil, because those who criticize do not know what democracy is. and before talk of speaking other country, should repair to their. because it is not so that there is violence in Brazil. what to watch are the absences of information, because if you do not live in Brazil then because you cirtica demonstrations. what Brazil is doing very proud I'm talking pro and my children attended the democracy not the currupção.
This kind of statement is what you would expect from a Brazilian politician, there is not a natural rising living condition in Brazil, it is artificial, the government has just made it easier to the population to lend money, so most of the Brazilians are now spending the money they don't have and are facing really high debts.
Public Brazilian services such as health, education and security has always been one of the worst in the world, so there is no such things as "higher expectation".
I think CNN should send some people here, and see it by themselves, do not visit places that politicians tells you to go, go where the problems really are, like north countryside hospitals and schools.
"And it’s natural that rising living conditions should give rise to higher expectations.” After living in the US for 23 years, and 3 years in Brasil...This line is the biggest bag of crap. What living conditions? With the living conditions I saw in Brazil...there is no place to look but up! Not even have "higher" expectations..but at least have "some" expectations for roads and hospitals. This guy is full of it..just like lula, dilma, and all the other alphabet lettered party members. Don't back down Brasil until these guys sell their houses and get shovels in their hands and start building the roads themselves!
I think Ms Amanpour should help to rise the violence like she did in Turkey. Otherwise not much news is likely to come. Broadcast 9 hours live from Sao Paulo interview and praise the looters. That's journalism....
Bravo ! Very well said ! Kudos ! Amanpour is a devil !
Same on you Christian!
I lost all of my respect for you and the CNN after I witnessed how you portrayed events in Turkey. You (and the CNN) shamelessly distorted the facts, showed events as if they are more violent than they actually are. I am not paranoid that you are behind the these protests, but I know for sure that you had a hidden agenda; you hated erdogan and his party (or maybe not comfortable with the rising image of Turkey). You found the opportunity to hurt them, and used it shamelessly. but this was the end of journalism for you and CNN. I dont like erdogan, and I supported the peaceful protests (not the violent ones) in Turkey but what you did cost CNN a lot in the long term. Many people dont trust the CNN as before. Do you really believe that your one-sided approach would cost you nothing? You are mistaken!!!!
Your approach isn't fair... Actually i believe they just reflect what was happening in Turkey ,and they show all the violence which was made by your PM and his police... Also , i'm sorry but i don't believe that you are not a supporter of Erdoğan
can: have you compared CNN to other American media companies such as New York Times or MSNBC ? I did. How long have you been following CNN? I have been following since 2001 pretty much everyday. If your answers were yes to these two questions, then you would have agreed with what I say. What makes CNN different from others? CNN is popular among non-US audience compared to the others whereas Americans typically dont care much about CNN. so the audience was obvious.
whether you believe or not if I like erdogan or not is not very relavant. Please counter-argue using facts, then i would respect them.
again, my point is CNN and BBC in particular have been waiting for an opportunity to attack the PM of Turkey and turkey in general and lost all their journalistic ethics when they observe these events. Honestly speaking, I am mostly surprised with Ms. Amanpour because I truly had respect for her journalism, but now I am questioning her integrity for any other events.
I was also shocked when i first saw what CNN had broadcasted on that day. I guess their crew in Istanbul were offered free raqi and fish to exaggerate everything to their headquarters. Bora adamin dibisin. Hala anlaadiniz mi bu is hicbir zaman bir iki agac meselesi degildi. Hukumetin istifasi da nane limon. Amac millletin snirlarini test etmek. Guzel oynuyorlar. Tebrikler
Dear Mr. Antonio Patriota, we do not have a NEW set of expectations. They are in fact quite a basic set of expectations such as BASIC healthcare, incarceration of corrupt politicians, proper use of federal reserves (stuffing cash down your underpants does not qualify) and so on. We've always had them, and always will. But now it's time for atonement, it is time for accountability, it is judgement time, for we have grown tired of being stepped on! We are past civil discourse, and if our expectations are not al least addressed, the situation will probably get worse before it gets better. We will not turn the other cheek, we will not bow down and we will not stop! Do not be mistaken, this is far from being over. So be smart and LISTEN to what we are saying. Dont fight us, beat us, tear gas us, shoot us. Instead listen to what we are saying, what we are asking for.
You are correct Ross.
Violence and corruption are an ingrained part of Brazilian culture.
We call this: "jeitinho brasileiro"
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Can you tell us more about how you see things?...Please illuminate the events on the ground..Where do you live? I live in Mexico and the underlying problems are practically the same, and yet we would never take to the streets,,,,
We suffer an almost perpetual need to conform and to not raise the temperatura about anything...
We live resigned to our fate......A suffocating type of complacency mixed with a self imposed fatalism!!
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What do you know about Turkey, i think nothing...This resistant can be comparable with Flower Childrens, and our name Tree Children... Now may be you can understand....
The protests might remain peaceful, and vandls might be lynched.
In Turkey, protests itself were never nearly as violent as the ones in Brasil. Vandalism incidents were very few and isolated, despite over a million protesters had to face a brutal police response: over a thousand protesters were injured, five died (one of them is a police officer who fell from a bridge during police interference), tens of protesters lost their eyes because of the impact of tear gas canisters shot to their faces in close proximity. I recommend the prime minister to follow some objective media, such as Ms. Amanpour, rather than listening to the official propaganda of the government.
As an expat in SP, I am certainly frustrated by a lot of the issues in the city, but I love it with all my heart. I am happy that Brazilians are standing up for a better country. Officials will eventually have to listen and things will slowly change for the better.
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Antônio Patriota is an idiot. He does not know what are saying. As Brazilian who lives in São Paulo, I can say that the most of prople that comments in this place don't know Brazilian reallity. We are tired of corruption, inflaction, people dying whithout medical assistence, low quality of education while Dilma Rousseff says that it's no have money to invest in this areas. But they can get money to invest in stadiums, expensive hotels to Mr. Blatter and his people. The total spent to World Cup an Olimpics Games will pass of U$$ 50 billions. Tell me now Is this fair whith the people which don't live arround the stadiums and pay for that? I'm proud be Brazilian but I am shamed be represented by Dilma Rousseff and her thiefs.
God save Brazil!
Ms Amanpour is doing a perfect interview with facts and clearly, Mr Patriota is defending the braziliian government.
This is how everything started in Turkey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=59XPBtofVGA#at=42
It`s amazing how bureaucrats can distort the meaning of a massive outcry we are seeing through out Brazil. The big mass of people attending the protests belong to a long existing middle class, that has been massacred for years by the mismanagement of the public servants of this country, not the people who Mr. Patriot proudly says have been economically upgraded during Lula`s and now Dilma`s presidencies. And it`s not a question of higher expectations from the people, which is an hypocrite statement. What they are really demanding for is the moral obligations from the politicians and public administration, nothing more, nothing less...
Patriota didn't answer the most important question, why brazilians pay more taxes than any other country and get horrible public services in return, and what the goverment plans to do about it. In Brazil we say that we pay taxes like Sweden and receive public services of Uganda.
I am very worried about the results of these protests...It seems that the Government will reinforce the populist practices and socialist dogmas...This is horrible for the country... Some good people that are proud of these events will suffer much more than they can imagine...
apparently you have a very wrong idea what the problem here is. Brazilians are paying very high taxes, but are not getting anything in return. because apparently you dont know whats its like to live in a country where there are little or no state provided services like proper public hospitals or public schools. the tax money in Brazil is being stolen and the people are left forgotten.
A study of United Nations shows that brazilian congressmen are the second most expensive in the world. Each congressmen costs to brazilian people 7,4 millions dollars per year. In United Kingdon each congressmen costs around US$ 300.000/ year. But look the income per capita: british = 38.500 X brazilian = 12.500. Most brazilians are very angry with the work of these congressmen, who work only 3 days per week if so..
Are you kidding me? Rising standards of living? In which Brazil is he living in? Because the Brazil I know has been the same hellhole for as long as I've been alive, with only rising costs and constant money laundering from the gov't. Also, kudos to the interviewer for getting the Federal Gov't as a source, of course they're going to be partial about the movement and say that everything is OK... >.>
The demonstrations are peaceful. We do not want to destabilize any government. We just want more transparency and dialogue between the people and the Congress. We want to improve the public service: Health and Education.
As a Turk and witnessed Turkish riots , I would like to hear Brazilians who CAN NOT access internet. The rioters were generally Turkish elites supported by Capital owners. The reason why Turkish riots has stopped because Erdogan's supporters showed the protesters that they are behind Erdogan and the reasons for protesting are not valid , basically lies to get rid of Erdogan. They could not even express theirselves what they demand. Freedom? For what? Media Freedom? Columnist even swear Erdogan without any punishment. Alcohol? Government only passed one rule that alcohol will NOT be sold between 22:00 and 06:00. so, their demands were not realistic at all.
I (maybe no one in Brazil) would not say that president Dilma "has embraced". She was tortured by the previous dictatorship it's true, but now she attacks with the National Guard and Police abuses.
Today the Foreign Office was attacked today.
Here in Brazil, we have a people that simply is alienated by the Globe, which receive government billions of dollars, to advertise, such as the PETRBRÁS, A COMPANY THAT ONLY THE PROFIT, BUT DO NOT PAY TAXES, AND SHOULD MORE USD 5,000,000,000 oF PAY fOR THE GLOBE AND OVER iN ADVERTISEMENTS USD 6.5 billion in prime time. poor part of the population supports Rousseff, to receive approximately USD 32 "BOLSA FAMILIA" a corruption extreme dead receive the aid, friends of politicians, inflation at the supermarket gets to be 5 veses more than the official indices, and still costs the canopy from usd 18 billion?
need international help against a law that the government wants to impose that limits the power of the public ministry in investigations against politicians, we have a bill passed and sanctioned it calls "clean slate" that prohibit politicians who were tried in proceedings, to take possession of their positions, and is not respected NEED HELP WITH THESE ABUSES, otherwise we will be annihilated BY INFLATION
BRAZIL, A SHAME FOR ALL
Brazilian people are fighting against CORRUPTION!!! it´s time to say THAT´S ENOUGH!
The protests aren´t violent, but there are criminals between the civilians, such as punks, skinheads and drug addicted people.
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How much cost a politician in Brazil:
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Unfortunately, Christiane Amanpour is guided by brazilian government agenda. Streets have another version!
Christiane Amanpour infelizmente pautada pelo release do ministro Patriota.
Government Workers Party – PT (Dilma / Lula) not lifted millions out of poverty! That is a lie. I live in Brazil! They have created the industry called family allowance (which is beneficial) to perpetuate themselves in power. With family allowance they get to vote in exchange for a miserable stipend so as miserable! Say also that Lula was one of the biggest corrupt Brazilian history! Dilma out! Outside Workers Party – PT!
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The reasons are different but the aim is the SAME in Turkey and Brasil.
Methods of the protesting are the same in both countries.
They are both developing countries and their developing bothers some other countries and they use poor-minded people against their countries.
Protesting must not be destroying the countries.
People must think twice and be aware of what games are playing in their countries.
Just check this news site " http://www.internethaber.com/brezilyada-turkiyedeki-oyun-oynaniyor-549044h.htm " and you can use google translate to read it. And then you will see the similarities.
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/06/22/turkish_prime_minister_alleges_protesthit_turkey_and_brazil_are_targets_of_same_conspiracy.html
“The same game is now being played over Brazil,”
“The symbols are the same, the posters are the same, Twitter, Facebook are the same, the international media is the same. They (the protests) are being led from the same centre.
“They are doing their best to achieve in Brazil what they could not achieve in Turkey. It’s the same game, the same trap, the same aim.”
absolutely correct... this is the same game
Situation in Turkey is similar to what was going on in US in 1860s when souther (pro-slavery) states were fighting against northern ones. Nowadays, in Turkey, old "intellegentsia" are fighting against redistribution of wealth. Cheap Anatolian labor are not cheap and illiterate anymore. So, don't look for sophisticated reasons, dont mislead yourself and others – things are much simpler.
I wish Brazil and Brazilians every success. But I also wish them not to destroy their nation. Remember, voting ballots are the best way of expression.
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try to be objective about Turkey.
do not delete news related with Turkey Cnn we see can you.
Thanks for the excellent post! I'd also like to contribute a couple more things that I found made this even more powerful:
Amanpour, you maybe worked out what is a violent riot what is not, after so many years of experience.
No age is late for learning. Cheers!
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