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Russia ‘financing subversion’ in Ukraine, Poland accuses
By Mick Krever, CNN
Russia is “financing subversion [in Ukraine] using the pretext of ethnic problems,” Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski told CNN’s Fred Pleitgen, in for Christiane Amanpour, in an interview on Tuesday.
Those alleged ethnic problems, Sikorski said, “are non-existent.”
Pro-Russian protesters seized government buildings in three eastern Ukrainian cities – Donetsk, Luhansk, and Kharkiv – on Sunday.
Rebels occupying Donetsk's regional government building Monday declared a "people's republic" and called for a referendum on secession from Ukraine to be held by May 11.
“In Crimea and in east Ukraine everybody speaks Russian. The media are Russian and until now there were no ethnic problems there.”
“There are acceptable ways of dealing with ethnic issues,” Sikorski said. “What’s happening in Ukraine is unacceptable.”
Many are concerned that Russia could use the unrest in eastern Ukraine as a pretext for moving in militarily.
If Russia does do that, Sikorski said, “we will go to ‘stage three,’ which means economic sanctions.”
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Tuesday threatened sanctions targeting Russia's banking, energy, mining and arms sectors if the Russians "cross over" into eastern Ukraine.
“Traditionally what happens is the U.S. goes first and then the European Union follows,” Sikorski said, by way of predicting Europe’s actions.
Because of Europe’s greater economic reliance on Russian trade, he told Pleitgen, “American leadership on this is understandable.”
Poland has been particularly outspoken on the Ukraine issue, going so far as to calling a meeting of NATO on the pretext of fearing for its security.
“We were partitioned by Russia in the eighteenth century – literally our country was occupied. And this was also done on the pretext of protecting national minorities.”
“Russia always comes to the assistance of national minorities rather than invading. So it’s an old story. It’s like watching an opera whose libretto is known in advance.”
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I think this goes to show that Russia is the crux of the problem Enough w/ the Neo-Nazi crap - Ukraine has a right to make their own choices without Russian intervention.
You nailed it! I totaly agree! Unfortunately russians are watching PutinTV whole day and believe all the propaganda they are told. Looks like the KremlinWriter are allready sleeping rather than posting paid propaganda! Russians should take the Ukrainians as model and also fight for their freedom of oppression! Nothing is as valuable as real freedom! Im so lucky I wasnt born in poor russia but in the rich free world!
Poor? In many places in Russia life is much better that in Europe. I'm not talking about US. I was there and life there is nightmare. For example crime level in LA the same that in Iraq. Antother issue that EU citizens haven't money for travel. Russians have and they can see )))))))))))
Wait, so if it's protests in Maidan that were mostly comprised of masked far right muscle, the CNN call them people's heroes and whatnot etc. And protests in East Ukraine which are comprised of everyone including women and children by the looks of it, lets call it Russian subversion !
Perhaps, just Perhaps the Russian speaking east Ukraine does not want to be under a government whose potential future president calls for their 'annihilation' as Timoshenko did. Youtube v=Te2E1R5YHBI
The amount of shameless bias in this, primitive 'bad and good' take on everything by the media is simply astounding.
UR so right Woopsy. And did you notice that when it comes to anything the Russians or the pro-Russians do, it's always removed from the context?
"We never had this kind of trouble before so it must be the Russian!"
Hello. You staged violent protests in the capital for 3 months and overthrew the elected government! He was our candidate. Our party's in shambles. We don't trust the new to look out for our interests. So we're a little upset. Stop obsessing on Putin and pay attention to us!
Is that how you read it? The interim government and their "western partners" are blaming Russia for everything that isn't working out. They don't want to take responsibility for any of it. The eastern Ukrainians are just Putin proxies to them. And that's a bad sign for the future of eastern Ukrainians in terms of how they will be treated if they accept the status quo.
Most of the protesters in Maidan were NOT far right hoods but average folk fed up with years of corruption. I have been there. Have you?
I thought Ukraninans did make their choice during last elections that were supervised by OSCDE and EU, and then that elected president was ousted by a cue funded and sponsored by CIA. So why is it Ok for west to interfere and not Russia?
"Those alleged ethnic problems, Sikorski said, “are non-existent.”
I wonder how can there Western politians say these things and keep straight face. Unkraine has had ethinc tensions for atleast 500 years, and the fact that for last 5 elections no single party managed to get majority shows its a divided country. Also the pictures from those protests show thousands of people.. are they all "Russian agents".
I agree with you.
The reason why the western politicians can keep a straight face is because of the oil pipeline running through Ukraine.
Thinking about the potential rewards makes them giddy.
History team #Putingrad trys to hide
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http://tinyurl.com/kvlrn3n
It is a well know fact, publicized by multiple medias that the USA went into Afghanistan. Pakistan, Iraq with buckets of money to hand out.....so the difference is......what?
The same goes for the western supported Maidan protesters. That's exactly the type of "intervention" you critizise Russia for now, but when the US was doing the same thing and worse, you applauded.
Amanapur and CNN only report one sided accounts of the situation in Kiev. Its as though the only aspects they discuss are those that fit with the US governments narrative. ALL other aspects are ignored. This is not news, this is blatant propaganda. No better than cold war rhetoric. How can a democracy like the US function when the news is propaganda? ITs reached the point where I HAVE to visit RT just to hear the other side.
RT is the shame of newspapers. From years, all as you can see on it are news about the goodness of Hugo Chavez and how many missiles and new combat planes has Russia. "The kings of peace". Pure propaganda. Read a real newspaper "The Guardian" , "New York Times" , "Le Figaro", "CNN" ... you have a wide variety to choose. Ask to you neighbors ... Are they happy with a goverment who persecute the Gay collective? Kills journalists , or use Polonium to eliminate people ...? It remembers me to 40's decade. Putin is closer to Hitler or Stalin than to Rousseo or Franklin or Voltair. And use information to reach his targets. "The great mother russia" .... "A patriot ... an idiot"
Well said!
Lepiej nie broncie Amerykancow, Polacy. Pamietajcie jak nam ostatnio pomagali.
As always, Polish singning American song... Howit happens that Maidan is democratic move and Donetsk & Kharkiv are not?
Easy question.. Because the government of the Ukraine is in Kiev and all elected parties are stil in making law for the whole country Ukraine! Nothing changed but the russian puppet president run away home to his tiny master! Why russia doesnt allow Chechnia having a referendum for its independence?
Since when did they start to provide internet in asylums?
Because no one was paid to come to Maidan.
Well that's not a pretty accurate statement. Many representatives from Europe and other countries (US Ambassador in Kiev Jaffrey Pyatt) were there in fact, the videos show them giving cookies, you cannot possibly believe that was it right, I mean cookies! The mere public support it's a violation to the rights of a democratically elected president, Plus many protests were financed by Ukrainian oligarch Petro Poroshenko. To get me wrong I do not agree with Russia in many things but it's unbelievable the doubles standards, that many people have.
Poland is a deeply antisemitic nation and its rightwing nuts hate Russia. So who cares what Poland thinks or wants?
Poland now is a free and democratic country and their expansion rate is higher as that of russia! Russia could learn a lot from Poland!
Expansion rate? You mean, it could blow up soon? You have a lot to learn from an English teacher.
Yes, deeply antisemic. Sikorski espacially, the fact that his wife is a Jewish journalist is a great deception hiding his deep antisemitism. The fact that world biggest festival of Jewish culture is in Cracow, Poland is even greater deseption. We Poles are sneaky and full of deception, aren't we?
I don't believe Poland has the whole market on deceit. All cultures have deceitful people. It becomes a really big problem when the leaders (leadership) of countries are deceitful.
As we say in Poland, idz sie jebac, ty wypierdku mamuta ze zlamanym kutasem.
Stop with the nonsense already. People are getting tired of it.
Russia is proving again that is not a European country just as Kipling said the most westerly of the eastern nations or темний Схід!
Russia is an agressive nation that needs some advise
Don't teach Russians. Look at yourself - wars and conflicts all over the world. 27 000 000 russian lives for your lives too much. Shut up! Вы все любите загребать жар чужими руками. Второй фронт открыли только в 44 году, когда стала ясной скорая победа над фашистами. Не вам судить русских.
I do not agree with Russia, if they are in fact financing the issue, but wouldn't it be logical to criticize and censure financing from other countries then, they shamelessly take proud in bringing "DEMOCRACY" to many countries, themselves were at Maidan giving support!
it's quite impressive the double standard the media has! I would be great to have a network free from biases.
you can find many videos on u tube about demonstrations in eastern Ukraine – the cities – kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk, Nikolaev. it would be surprise for you to see howmany people want to be with Russia – Hundreds of thousands of people out on the streets with Russian flags. how many people can be financed by Russia? how can it be? in fact more than 30 million people – Citizens of Ukraine – are Russians by nationality – they live on this land for thousands years. And now politicans from kiev issue laws on which for Russian language people will imprison. where is democracy????
Russia is just a short drive away. Who is stopping them from being in Russia ¿
aptisme, oh, sure they will be in Russia. may be this spring. i mean as Crimea, Lugansk, Kharkov, Donetsk will bein Russia. and they will be happy. and western countries should say anything againts this.
Thousands of years i can see that you do not know the history of ww2 & stalin -- how does a gov"t make a ethnic pop easy deport present pop than have your own pop . move in thus ethnic pop EX cremia was never a ethnic ru pop it was tartar till stalin deported most of tartars into northern ru then i bet the ru"s moved thus ethnic pop , as for rest of ukr how many hundred"s of thousands of ethnic ukr starved to death ,murdered ,deported by ru -- get rid of present pop then have your own pop take over
oh dave you have incorrect information about the events of the WWII. as for crimean tatars...yes...but there is one detail, u havent mentioned... the reason why stalin deported them... MMMM??? u don/t know? i ll answer you – because during WWII they they sided with the Nazis against soviet soldiers in crimea... wasnt this enough for the panishment???? i cant say that all crimean tatars was nazis...but ufter 1945..... what should stalin do???praise them for their zeal? what i think was unfair is that all their small nation has paied for small group of nazis among them. what should i say – im tatartoo... i understand them. But they also voted for Russia on referendum! whay? because ukraine didnt give them anything. And now in Russia they will be rehabilitated. you have no idea in which terrible conditions they lived until the Crimea was ukrainian. so stopargue. u dont have any facts! against the truth you will not trample – i mean in alll this situation with ukrania, russia
Poland has more experience with Russia than most countries, and none of it good. Economic, social and political ties have been close with Ukraine for many years – despite the turmoil there. To call Poland an American lackey on this issue is shallow and to warm the Poles from having the same position as the Americans is also shallow. Can Germany have the Kalingrad Oblast back? It was annexed by SU after WWII. Should Poland have its land to the east back since there are still Polish speakers there? As for Ariel – who says Poland is a deeply anitsemtimic nation – come see the soon to open Museum of Polish Jews in Warsaw.
Tony, don't stop half way at Kaliningrad. Can Germany also have Western Poland back? It was given to Poland after WWII.
Tony Housh ask yourself why the Jewish museum in Warsaw and almost no Jews there.
It wasn't all Hitler doing.
Yes, it was truly horrible how the jews treated each other at a time of need.
Please remember that what was left of the Jewish community in Poland was forced to leave in 1968 during the reign of a Moscow communist puppet Gomulka. No way can you extrapolate from that to today's free times.
70 years ago Russia defeated fascism. not only in west Europe, but in easten too – i mean in the western Ukraine – Galicia – Banderovites. You caved in under the Nazis – including Poles – and now that you need from Russia. When Banderovites seized the country with a population 50 millions of people. in Ukranine started hounding people. And now if the Nazis start killing people, the Russian people – Russia will do what must. In Ukraine, more than 30 million Russian people. And you – Europe, America, Poland can not demand anything from Russia, trying to learn Russia.
Russia exactly saved you 70 years ago, made you free, you raised from knees. despite all your hate you have to respect this country. and consider the opinion of this country. Once again you are making a mistake by supporting fascism, you are flirting with fascism. As 80 years ago. Again you want to camp on wei Europe? I do not think so.
seems you in Europe again unable to to take the path of freedom. be glad that there is Russia and the Russian people which again will save you from the Nazis. Russians choose only freedom. Hoping that you will understand where evil and where good is.
i meant – "Again you want to concentration camps on throughout europe? I do not think so."
Elis, Russian people are heroic people. Still after Russians defeated Nazis they stayed in the countries that were freed by them. This occupation ended when communism ended.
Wow, what a distorted view of the world and history you have....I can recommend some good books if you'd like....
Krakalakin, this part of history I know not only from books as you may, but from experience.
It was the Germans and the Soviets that invaded Poland in 1939. Just ask those 20,000 dead officers in Katin what great hero's the soviets were.
stupid example. its lie. youo are brainwashed. there is no evidence that the Soviet soldiers did this. the Nazis did. and the fact that your historians think and imagine has nothing to the facts
Russian Soviets were as bad as Nazi Germans. No difference.
Vlad, again lie. with no facts itsjust your opinion basedonyour hateness to Russia. it has become popular to change results of WWII in Europe, to put Soviet soldiers and nazi in one line... But u cant change the history. Nazis brought death to oll people.... and soviet soldiers brought peace & saved all european people from terror. Also u have to be thankful that you live now, and you live free. and remember till your death that soviet people saved you. dont even try to argue with
this historical truth. My grandmother and two grandfathers were heroes and disabled veterans of WWII. You are not the one who can even try to say anything that you said. My grandma in her 18 was a nurse on an armored train, she traveled all over Europe and saved thousands of people over those 4 years. and there are millions of such stories in Russian families. you cant make us forget the real history, trying to rewrite it. Fascism will not pass.
Well Elis you may need a slight historical update – you know that freedom that was brought by Russia was a change of one occupation for another...
poor people. westernpropoganda destroys you. life will teach you. and it would be painfull.
it does seem elis that you do not know history or you wearn"t taught it ru helped create problem for poland hitler united with ru to wipe poland off the map& they actually did for a short time & during that time ukr could be completely innocent at the time because it was under ru rule & did have a choice btw rock & hard place - as saying goes do you go with devil you know or devil you do not know -- but something is telling me i"m wasting my time trying to educate you
again facts: ukranians as nationality – its imagined fact – by whom? by Bissmark. – 100 years ago – its avery short peripod of time – the word Ukrania or Ukraians werent exist. so that terrytory (nowadays ukraine) was russian – fooled with russian people- actually they are still russian people- it s the reasonof conflict – west trys to make people forget their nationalyty & language. Well, ukranian languege goes from small western ukranian territory – galizia – its their language (mixture of Polish and Russian). if Poland want make referendum there and take Galicia to Poland. actualy they are like cancer on Ukrania. (I do not want to hurt ordinary normal people living there) im talking about banderovtsi.
We need new leaderships in the U.S., G.Br., Germany. asap. .Obama is the worst ever for the U.S. & history will show it .
CNN never reports anything from the other side
This is not journalism, this is propaganda.
Meanwhile:
Donetsk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEULSJ9GwpQ
Luhanks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym44cu_7DM0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlKMVFtPsFI
Pro-western forces prevent opposition from speaking out on inconvenient topics and start a fight
Oh noes poland say it aint so....
Financing subversion is OUR thing!
Russia is the aggressor and always was. To say they saved Europe from facists is so convenient, then please explain why they were allies of fascists between 1939-41?? Why they carved up Europe then into spheres of interest???
With two-faced heroes like that and recent patterns of behaviour (Georgia and Ukraine)........and that little man putin in power (former KGB officer), where is this all going? a return to naked Russian aggression and the usual manipulation of the truth.
And for the poor Russian people, they have no clue whats really going on, what with an abundance of cheap and nasty vodka, 24/7 Putin TV and staged managed events (circus) showing Russians living in fear in neighbouring countries.............they actually believe all that BS. All the while the little KGB officer gets more and more power and the country actually thinks its defending itself but really its attacking its neighbours.
What a rotard. Another ignorant Amerikan who knows zip about the world, but is too stoopid to realize he is just being sucked in to the propaganda group-think the government and media encourage in the ignorant unwashed masses so that they do not get in the way of policy making and global domination sedition.
'Russia is “financing subversion" - The West had been “financing subversion"| all around the world for more than a decade in its interest. It's time Russia started doing this in their interests. PERIOD.
Beating up people in parliament to prevent them from speaking their mind – SOME DEMOCRACY THIS. LOL! The West is SUPPORTING this DEMOCRACY?
Maybe Russia is funding subversión in Eastern / Southern regions in Ukraine. Or maybe not. It maybe too, NATO funded / forged Maidan killings. Or maybe not. ... ONCE THING IS CLEAR, THOUGH – NATO, US, EU, never want plebiscites to be held, EVEN UNDER UNO SUPERVISION. Let's get free opinión and desires from Ukraine people, shall we?
I have visited Russia, had many good experiences, and even found relatives there (descendants of “fascist” relatives who were forcibly deported from their homeland). Why does Russia try so hard to have it both ways? - to claim that its “unique” history exempts it from international norms that apply to all other countries, and then to whine when it finds itself surrounded by “hostile” neighbors. Western policy needs to accept that this essentially Russian conundrum will not be resolved for another generation, maybe longer. Meanwhile, my respect and admiration to the brave people of the Ukraine, and may their hopes for freedom and democracy be rewarded.
Lol What a crap CNN propaganda as Always.. the conflict in Urkaine was created by the White House State department paying 5 Billions dollars to all the protesters for 3 months in Ukraine to burn buildings ,kill police and remove a president by Force. And poland was supplying training to the protesters..how to paralize the country. Western Misleading media pretend americans to ignore how the conflict began and how US senators and high ranking officials visited Ukraine to encourage the protest..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEcZFgSnVP0&list=FLwGYjBaQ5y2UY3gKVsOTACw&index=38
watch the video how USA financed the coup in Ukraine.. Where Victoria Nuland not even deny it..
youtube..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEcZFgSnVP0&list=FLwGYjBaQ5y2UY3gKVsOTACw&feature=share&index=36
/watch?v=SEcZFgSnVP0&list=FLwGYjBaQ5y2UY3gKVsOTACw&feature=share&index=36
Do you think America does not have where to spend their money? Do you work for Russia's FSB or what ever it is called? Just read: http://peipins.blogspot.com/2014/03/whos-fascist.html and Remember people are not so stupid to believe Russia's propoganda and agressive disinformation!!!!
Who do these polacks think they are, wearing suits? Get back in the ditch with a shovel and keep digging....
they think they can teach Russians. ha ha. sounds very naive.
Russia has ways to go to cath up to Poland (culturally, economically) and the sooner they will leran from the Poles, the better for them.
We are not going to learn something from Poland or whoever, we are not zombied europians and americans with no opinion! We wont suffer under pro-eastern fascists, we are ethnical Russian,we talk Russian,think Russian and arussia in our heart! We survived withought USA and Europe and growed up! We are not scared of any sanctions-we are a country who won Second World War, we lost most of people! U can read any news,and beleive whatever u wish drinking beer on your american sofa-and we? Lol we will be comfortable anywhere,fighting for our rights.This Country wont be broken,Russians dont pass.
really not a usa citizen but if ru did it on there own then why years ago did canada have to ship very large ammounts of wheat to ru to feed the ru people & the exports had to be fast tracked
Стыд и срам какую чепухы вы несёте!!!!! ./ It's a shame to hear what nonsense you are writing!!!! Shame on you!!!! it's all Russia's propoganda and your brain is completely washed out.
In 1954, when Khrushchev ceded the Crimea to Ukraine, that was within Soviet Law at that time. Like it or not.
This was Tatar land long in History that the Russians brutally wrested from them by killing many and the rest by mass evictions. If anybody has an historical claim to Crimea, it's the Tatars. Not the Johnny Come Lately Russians.
What do you think the Tatar Protester issues at Sochi Olympics were all about?
Putins Puppets claiming to be Americans commenting here, don't fool too many. Please, if you are real, move to Russia. Since you see it as such a lovely place.
Sick Children. turn to your Creator for mercy.
@Pro-russian, hope you have read that the natives of Crimea are Tartars!
first – no taRtatrs
but Tatars. Second yes they are natives, the same way Russians are. now in Crimea 2 mln of russians & 300 thousands of tatars. then answer people of whatnationality lived in crimea before tatars. Oh, what would you say about indians in north america???
excellent remark: “Russia always comes to the assistance of national minorities rather than invading. So it’s an old story. It’s like watching an opera whose libretto is known in advance.”
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