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Russian Senator: West always thinks the worst of us
By Mick Krever, CNN
As pro-Russian unrest flares in eastern Ukraine, a Russian senator took his country’s case to the international stage on CNN Thursday, saying Moscow has a “very different” vision of the situation than the West.
“Of course somebody in Western countries maybe prefer to see just bad grace from Russia,” Andrey Klimov, member of the Russian Federation Council, said. “But the situation is quite different.”
“We are thinking only about peaceful exit from this situation, which now happened unfortunately in Ukraine.”
Pro-Russian protesters are occupying a government building in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk, demanding more independence from Kiev.
Some are concerned that after Russia’s annexation of Crimea, the country may intervene in eastern Ukraine as well.
“Well, first of all, we are looking at this country as our neighbor country,” Klimov said.
In a telling exchange, though, Klimov emphasized the fact that Ukraine – a former Soviet republic – does not have a long history as a sovereign country.
Russia has long advocated non-intervention in sovereign countries, time and again voting against incursions by other countries at the U.N. Security Council.
Pleitgen put that point to Klimov.
The provision of state sovereignty in the U.N. Charter, Pleitgen said, “was put there in large part because Russia and the Soviet Union were invaded so many times by European countries and only managed to push those European countries back with a lot of blood being spilled.”
“Is the Russian political class aware,” he asked, “of the threat that all of this poses to that system of state sovereignty, of national sovereignty, what's going on right now?”
Crimea, Klimov said, was a “unique case.”
“Of course we recognize the territorial integrity of Ukraine,” he said. “But if we are speaking about today's situation, of course we have to mind the history.”
“The history of Ukraine as a sovereign state is something a little bit above 20 years. Ukraine [has] never been a sovereign state for a long period. And of course this is the problem of [a] young state.”
Russia wants Ukraine to be able to solve its problems on its own, he said, “without any pressure from abroad – including pressure from [the] Western world.”
The “revolution” in Ukraine – as Klimov called it – came as a result of provocation from both the West and Ukrainian politicians, he said.
“Some Western people, including people in the White House, they try to blame Russia but do not want to look at their own stuff.”
“There were a lot of situations in…Maidan Square, including participation in that event, some authorities from America and the European Union,” referring to visits from people like American diplomat Victoria Nuland.
“Our diplomats, our senators, our members of parliament [have] never been there.”
Under Ukraine’s former government, Russia offered natural gas to the country at steep discounts; now, Russian President Vladimir Putin has gone so far as to warn that gas deliveries could be cut.
“This is an old story,” he said. “We have a contract. … But unfortunately, Ukrainian government prefer[s] not to pay according to their obligations. And this is the problem.”
NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen on Thursday sounded the alarm bell for eastern Ukraine, saying that Russia has about 40,000 troops massed on the Russian side of the border – “not training, but ready for combat.”
Klimov again repeated the Russian position that those troops are there simply for standard military exercises.
Pleitgen asked whether it was possible for Ukraine to be a member of the European Union and NATO and still be a “good ally” to Russia.
In response, Klimov questioned the expansion of NATO since the fall of the Soviet Union to include countries closer to Russia’s borders.
“If we are partners, this is not necessary at all.”
And besides, he added, “I do not know any serious politician in the European Union who would like to join the European Union with Ukraine.”
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I think we heard this all before, Georgia, Crimea...please try another tack, you sir are boring us!!
Amen!
The USA has no right to preach to anyone after its invasion of so many countries.
The US never annexed any of the regions it invaded. Afghanistan and Iraq are not part of the USA/
Yes it does.
The US has never sent its military into another country except with the consent of the host nation or in self-defence.
>>The US has never sent its military into another country except with the consent of the host nation or in self-defence.
Show me the consent of the people in Afghanistan or Iraq or the other nations you invaded. Show the the proof the people wanted the US to invade their countries, to murder and torture their people. You won't be able to because you are wrong.
The US has done FAR worse things in the world than what Russia did with Crimea.
By the way: when you say that Crimea should be released by Russia as it should be part of the Ukraine, you say that the unilateral decision of a dictator should be followed rather than the will of the people. Because until Chruschtschow gave Crimea to the Ukraine, it was part of Russia.
>>Yes it does.
Then China and North Korea have the right to preach about Human Rights to the US.
Oh yes those Russians are really boring for telling the truth. They should perhaps use Victoria Nuland's famous F..K you line!
Russians ALWAYS lie! They lied saying they would not takie Crimea. They always lie. They are the first country to invade AND ANNEX another countries territory. They just steal and pretend it's nothing. They always did this, and always said the invasion was to protect their citizens, and always stole territory of other free countries bordering with them. ALWAYS!
Rondent here has a problem definitely. Is Kossovo a lie as well and since when was it a territory of the decendents of Attila the Butcher. As you can see he still learns history from cave walls just like his american folks.
>>Russians ALWAYS lie! They lied saying they would not takie Crimea. They always lie. They are the first country to invade
Americans ALWAYS lie! They lied saying they didn't want war in Afghanistan or Iraq. They lied saying that Hussein had WMD's. They lied sayin the invasion of Iraq was legal. They lied claiming Hussein had ties to Al Quaeda. They lied saying Hussein wanted to buy yellow cake in Niger. They lied saying they don't torture. And those were just the lies of one single day.
And they have invaded more nations than Russia ever has. But when the US invades a country, thousands always die – unlike Russias invasion of Crimea. So the Russians must certainly be the bad guys because they have not slaughtered and tortured countless civilians in Crimea first – like the US usually does.
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"Is this a way to live?" one man demands. "If we were animals the world would have more compassion."
The west had its chances and used it to the hilt to take the world to extinction through well planned covertly arms race and destroying the world through carbon emission and carcinogenic and nuclear wastes...
From Korea to Vietnam to Syria, the west did a great job... They did a good job of leaving previous colonies too in great shape.. India, Pakistan, Zimbabwe..
Their charitable outlook befriended entire continents.. Latin Americans to North Americans, Entire Middles east to west, Africans to the west...
Did we lose humanity along the great race?
So Quo Vadis?
what they left india? indians we had make you westerners go from india. our kings showed hospitality to the western guests and you westerners back stabbed us. no morality, no thankfulness, western population full of thieves and criminals.
Sure, USA is Saint ad Russia evil.
Iraq
Vietnam
Afganistan
Syria
Libya
Al-Quaeda
Abu-Graib
Gitmo
NSA
NEVER EVER HAPPENED!!!!
and all that never ever affected foreign policy of other countries including Russia!!!
And which of those countries has the U.S. taken over and annexed? You're overlooking the elephant in your argument.
"LHW
And which of those countries has the U.S. taken over and annexed? You're overlooking the elephant in your argument."
OK, so it is fine to invade (without the UN mandate), to massacre, to destroy, and then to escape. And it is bad to "annex" without a massacre. May I ask you why? Is it the Newton's fourth law?
Lol. West always imagines itself as a white-peachy little cuddly thing and Russia as an evil empire.
Yet even Ivan the Terrible was shocked by the St. Bartholomew night thought of West as a horribly barbarous place.
I would add to your list of West’s misdeeds – the annexation of Hawaii by USA, slavery in USA, genocide of Native Americans by USA, and of course very recent West’s crowning achievement – the invention of fascism and Adolf Hitler.
But of course pointing this out will not change anything. The Westerners will continue thinking themselves as paragons of civilization just like Southerners thought themselves superior to Blacks, and Germans thought themselves superior race, and American think themselves “special” and therefore better than anybody else.
you also forgot to mention what the west illegal whiteturds did to india by aiding Pakistan and korea forgotten war so add that to the tab as well.
also what5 white turds in America stolen indian land did to making Hawaii into a state ILLEGALLY!
>> And which of those countries has the U.S. taken over and annexed?
The US has annexed other countries before, may be not the ones listed in that post.
Russia has also not annexed Crimea because that would mean it did so against the will of the people in Crimea.
America, however, has illegally invaded many nations, murdering several hundredthousand people doing so.
The question is: what is the greater crime?
russia did not say that it will not invade crimea or georgia. i hope you understand that russia dont want to invade remaining parts of ukraine.
Putin is changing his mind about paying Crimean people Russian pension. But Crimea is Russia, right?
Eastern Europe joined the EU because Western Europe invested massively into these countries. Putin will only take from Crimea. Russia used to pay about $500 million dollars a year to use Sevastopol as a military base. How much money do you think Crimea will see now for this Russian military base?
Please provide some sort of evidence that Russia doesn't want to do that, if you can.
Ukraine and crimea was old Russia .
Georgia attacked Russia first.
The list of nations invaded by the US and it's stooges is not restricted to 2 countries, the list is much longer and the number of casualties countless, the return of Crimea to the motherland after been stolen from Russia in 1954 by the Ukeainian chairman Chroetsjev has been done without bloodshed, quite a difference I would say.
Crimea voted for independence from Russia after the Soviet Union fell.
Casualties have been low, so far, only because Russia has such overwhelming superiority in firepower and is known to exercise such ruthlessness that the Ukrainians knew that any armed resistance would have been crushed. And also because it is such a brazen act, completely out of place in 2014 Europe, that no-one outside Putin's cronies imagined he would do such a thing or prepared for it.
But do not assume that the war is over. You are now at war with Ukraine. You can start a war unilaterally but you can't end it unilaterally.
why doesn't anyone state how America and KA-NA-TA got invaded and STOLEN?i believe that was indian land!
>>Crimea voted for independence from Russia after the Soviet Union fell.
And now they voted for independence from the Ukraine.
Unrest in Ukraine was provoked by the west. What you have heard before, and who you think you are is another question. You have been told before that you are nothing special.
I am as a Russian citizen giving to Putin my full okay and support to send these troops to Ukranian if Russian-speaking population is attacked by Nazi and mercenaries.
You have been listening too much of Russian propaganda news...Pravada? hardly, just continued lies one after another . And perhaps Chechnya should have a free referendum. Would that be O.K. with Putin? Putin/Lavrov/Russians....born to lie.
Irony at its finest man.
Because CNN and Foxnews have been spouting nonstop propaganda against Russia for months now.
Even Neutral Parties (including newspapers of england and Steven Seagal with a bunch of neutral viewers) are boasting on this.
I am not listening to the propaganda, I am that propaganda. Tremble and fear before Russian bears. Putin will come after you.
Chechniya had its referendum, it voted to stay in the Russian Federation.
You all are far away from Russia, Ukraine and Crimea. That's why your goverments and media can lie to you so easy. Do you personaly know real people living in Crimea? No. And that's all. We in Russia have friends and relatives in Crimea and Ukraine, so we can anytime ask them what happends there. That's why our media and goverment can't lie us about this situation. So don't tell us about our propaganda, better look at your media and goverments. Think about this.
Just a couple of months ago Americans didn't know what Ukraine is - if this is a planet or some decease. But now they are all world leading experts in Ukraine and for sure are aware of all the details much better than Russians. Thanks to CNN which is able to do marvels 🙂
you sit in america or europe and what do you know about whats going on in the field .... booo pravda... probaganda. sit and mind your business in america.
You are forgetting the massed U.S. Troops in Ukrain. U.S. Marine Core is will put Putin In his plce likle they did to Hitler. Or the New F-22's and F-35's that are also on the ground there. M-1 Abram Tanks are already to much for Russian ground forces to hande not counting the Air Force Support. Know what please cross the border so we can put all of you in your place where you belong.
We will shatter that junk to pieces the second they cross our border. You abrams can be destroyed to 40-year old RPG as have been seen in Iraq and Saddam had 25 year old wepons and aviation.
And do not forget Kuzma's mother, the Tzar bomb.
The Russians did 10x more to defeat Hitler than the USA did. If you knew anything about actual history rather than US propaganda you would know that.
Ты не русский, но лжец и подделка. (Ty ne russkiy , no lzhets i poddelka.)
no, Alexsey is undoubtedly Russian. I am Russian too and I can say the same thing as Alexsei.
russia still has not provided proof that ethnic russians in crimea was in trouble so when you have no proof and you go in and annex a country cause it dont agree with kiev then thats called taking over territory can any russian show proof russian in crimea was in trouble. Anybody?
Crimea used to be inhabited by Turks. Stalin fixed that. If you want to give it back to the motherland, Turkey should own it.
Well, there are no Nazis in Ukraine, so he has no text to invade whatsoever.
The country is a parliamentary democracy (and a far better example of one than Russia).
no pretext*
uh YES THERE IS! western Ukraine are pro Nazis stupid!
there are german immigrants in west Ukraine and also there is polish and other european immigrants in western Ukraine you fail!
I agree with you Alexey! and I am indian.
He looks and sounds like Mel Brookes.
Regardless of what the Russians say, they simply want to relive the glory of the old Russian Empire with Putin as the God-sent Czar of the novo empire. They don't care if somehow they start World War III in the process as long as they become a superpower again. It's great how they can dish out blame at everyone else who doesn't agree with them but can't take any criticism back it when it is they who not only broke Ukrainian law like some of the Kiev protesters, but also broke international law as well with their stealthy invasion of Crimea. They need to pay dearly for any futher incursions into sovereign territory and I think the rest of the world could care less how young or old a country is or what the historical background surrounding the current conflict. Sovereign territory needs to remain sovereign territory, not annexed to a growing empire like Germany was doing in the last century before the last world war. The international community needs to put Putin in his place.
This terrirory was part of the country I was born in. West has annexed it as a result of covert operation prepared by CIA. We has retaken what is ours and what wants to be ours, the Crimia and yes we do not care about the opion of the West about our internal affairs. West never gave us anything worthwhile economically, so we rely economically on ourselves and we do not care and do not afraid of your sunctions. We will be a strong independendend country that does not take orders from the West, the country which will step before any export of democraty over dead bodies as you did in Iraq and Libia.
Yea dead Russin Troops in Iraq too of those who support countries we invade will also be squashed under our feet with no mercy!
Russains killed nobody in Crimea, while USA are responsible for at least 100,000 deaths in Iraq only. Millinons became refugees. Now you are saying that Russia is very bad, while US are very good. LoL. 🙂
Stalin removed all the Turks from Crimea with most of them dying from the ordeal.
Did you know ho star WW1 than WW2 ?
West no Russia or just read history on any western country then Russia history then you will see from were the evil come
your race lives in major hypocrisy why don't you heed your own advice and get OUT OF OUR LAND NORTH AMERICA THIS IS ABORIGINAL LAND NOT EUROPEAN LAND.
Oh, come on. I live in the South Ukraine. The only touchable thing that the Ukrainian independence has given us is the average MONTHLY payment of USD 250. You may refere to any source to check it. Actually the common opinion here is that nobody will wanna die struggling against Russians for Ukraine. Crimea just has proved it.
except this time NATO Forces on on the Ukrainian/ Russian Border Waiting for Russian Troops, last time they didn't have time to respond In Crimea. No Troops will show up if Russia has the coast blocked off, having to sink Ships would block harbor even more since waters are so shallow, wouldn't give Irrinational Forces easy access to get into Crimea.Plus there are sub nets sopping subs from entering near harbor.
why do americans always overlook their own illegal wars? Ukraine is on border of Russia incase you haven't realised. An illegal president who is hostile to Russia represents a national security threat. Russia should start threatening nuclear war against United States if they don't back off and learn to respect their sovereignity. Also remove sanctions on North Korea and Iran.. now lets see how US will act then.
Ya, support countries that have no decency for their fellow people - when you have some free time, look at the labor camps operated by n. Korea. And, how their govt. lives off the backs of their poor, suppressed people.
One thing you also must understand is - you can talk trash all you want about the U.S. - but, they are inclusive - allow people of all ethnicities and cultures to live here. And, with that you get more loyalty and admiration for a country. On the other hand, you have Putin - who is looking out for his Oligarths - a few select that he chooses to take care of. IF he were more diplomatic, perhaps he'd be able to help Russia make progress and become more of a player in democracy. Now he's just trying to revert back to the good old days...
What about USA allies? Are they all democratic nations? Even Saudis? and what about Guantanamo?
by the way, why do you think that N. Korea is Russian ally?
I agree. well there are good people in north America as us Indians are here and other Russians so what you Russians should do is all out attack on white people who are illegally resided on north America land and you can stay here if you like,we will also aid you in ridding this western white filth who stole our land.anglos germans French all need to DiE!
It's always fun to hear what the US opinion in the United States of America thinks of the wolf outside their own borders!
From my point of view the US citizens are so "non critical" to media reports that are sponsored and manipulated by the US government. Also they have the state itself the "NSA" spying on their own like they did in the good old DDR, CIA that lives by their own rules within the country and abroad! Then they start some war and fights around the globe and think they are the only one that might be right all others are wrong! Instead of spending all the dollars on foreign wars, take care of your own country and the old people there!
yeah yeah, all bull, comapred to russian propaganda which is lye after lye after lye, it's nothing. Remember Putin said he will not enter Crimea – and lied as usuall. US should not listen to Russia, just watch what Putin is doing. He is totally dishonest and can't be trusted no more.
The west, and all its partners, need to find an effective way in order to stop Putin's madness.As peace in Europe is in danger, democracies have to work hard to help Ukrania and the new government in Kiev to fulfil the desire of majority of Ukrainian people to live in a free society.By help I mean all kind
of resources...
We now know how western democracies work. The nonelected EU officials, IMF functionaries, and self-nominated members of Ukrainian "government" make decisions on the future of a sovereign country. and Victoria Nuland working as a spokesman of Ukrainian nation. Bravo.
no not alt all the west white filth need to be deported off indian north America as whites in north America are all illegal and need to go! . we accept Russians and south and eastern Ukrainians but nobody else of white race should be here.this is OUR land and we want all british Scottish irrish,german,french out of OUR LAND!russians are most welcome to stay here as we like russians
Ha-ha-ha, those satellite images taken in 2013!!!
Americans should take their own country back from the bankers and Federal reserve who loans your own money to you to keep you as slaves. In the next 5-10 years everyone of you will end up in FEMA camps after they take your second amendment rights. You are sold to bankers and they use you like Robots programmed and always under control. The rest of the world does not want to be so f****cking stupid and dumb like you to not see what is coming to them. Disaster from private Fed bank.
this is not your land so get out and leave! you white turds are illegal since 1492 and only a few centuries in ka-na-ta get out of our land!we accept Russians and east as well south Ukrainians here but nobody else who are white.
I'm caddie Indian and I want NO Russians here!
spell check won't let me spell my tribal name!
Putin bring america to its knees.... well done
LOL, you're so funny... We'll if your wish would granted and let see who will suffer...
Russia is not Ukraine. Vladimir goes his own way :)and he's right
Well done Russia!
and one mercenary is caught in Ukraine, he said himself "US citizen" (perfect American pronunciation BTW), search video O7huBQKq3YQ
Alaska would be next!
The American brute-force interference into the political life of Ukraine is responsible for the current destabilization.
nonsense. the no-bid contract Putin demanded Ukraine sign was the problem. and further destabilization gazprom is causing with its artificial increases. The first increase was understandable, but not the last two. Russia is trying to destabilize Ukraine, obviously. why else raise the gas not just once but three times? to stall their military when it invades, which it will. Ukraine is a soverign country now, regardless of the past, and no amount of propaganda, scapegoating, lies, or patriotism on Russia's part will change that. Its not your country anymore guys, face facts. It was russia's forces killing protesters, invading crimea, commiting clandestine activites, raising gas prices, their soliders lying in Crimea, them abusing voters there. Nobody quit any western newspapers over this story- how many journalists quit in russia? quite a few. Sorry guys, the West is not as stupid as you think. You are the ones abusing others, not the EU and not the US. You are the ones being lied to,Russia is one of the most corrupt places on earth! You can spit propaganda all you want- no one believes your country anymore, even less than we believe the US which should tell you guys something. 2 2=5 comrades.
The agreement for this gas price was signed even before Yanukovich by former Ukrainian PM Timoshenko who is one of the leaders of pro-EU forces ! And the current "president" of Ukraine Turchinov at that time said in public that this contract is very good for Ukraine ! USA should blame Timoshenko and her friends and not Putin !..
There was a discount for the gas price for last several months due to efforts of Putin and Yanukovich to re-establish a collaboration in the end of 2013. Why should Russia keep a discount NOW? If West is so friendly to Ukraine, it must subsidize Ukraine without trying to frighten Russia.
You not sick of American films about bad Russians? More than 60 years you are fed one by one and the same scenario. Therefore, all Russian bad...
Russia will take down the Nazis once again!!
In your dreams!
Unfortunately, it is russia who are the nazis in this situation
Unfortunately, USA resemble more and more Nazi. They are sure that they can make decisions on the future of sovereign countries throughout the world.
Moreover, from the reaction of many American posters in the web I see that THEY DO NOT CARE what the US forces do in other countries - whether they kill 100 or 100,000 or 1,000,000 aborigines. They do care only on their own interests.
I dont know there. They arent invading Canada. They arent beating people in the street who are different race or orientation. they arent jailing or exiling media. and US most certainly isnt price gauging gas for "its brothers" – wake up you have no high ground and are simply sheep
you of course know that USA have a very long list of military campaigns throughout the world. They do not invade Canada, but they have a very impressive history of interference and invasions in other countries in both central and south America.
with respect to media, I do not see any real difference with Russia. at least, in situations like this one. All major mainstream USA media spread coherently the same point of view.
good its about time!. im glad our people in IndiA isn't sanctioning RussiA seems like ChinA isn't either GooD!
What will be the action of america if Russia sent Few nuclear subs, A anti air capable naval fleet with carriers to cuba to brasil to ensure safety of its alliles? will you american citizens feel comfortable about this????? answer me??
You tell to ur impotent president and US will let him know what happen next.
This greedy people want to justify their greediness however, NO ONE BELEIVES IN YOU EXCEPT PEOPLE WITH SAME FEATHER LIKE RUSSIAN WHO SUPPORTED PUTIN on doing this crisis. We'll, if things goes on and war will be happen, it's not US will suffer BUT THE RUSSIAN ITSELF...LOL
"NO ONE BELEIVES IN YOU EXCEPT PEOPLE WITH SAME FEATHER LIKE RUSSIAN WHO SUPPORTED PUTIN "
Of course, you are a spokesman for the whole world. No need to ask say Chinese or Indians. 🙂
Maybe you should actually look at most Chinese & Indian media, and see that they don't support russia's actions either. The Russian people are being lied to just as much as the US are. No matter how many propagandists comment here, the past shows the Russian view to be a blatant lie.
from time to time I look at both Chinese and Indian media.
There is nothing to do with CNN hysteria.
Then you'll see that they have no interest in backing your wars, and have also condemed russias actions in crimea. No one has Russia's back on this. Face it- Russia gov't is lying, to support those lies is facsist, and invading another country is nazi behavior. Ukrainians are afraid to speak truth to western press because of reprisals of russia! Man up and face facts. Your TV is lying even worse than US is. Your not the heroes but the aggressors, over gas... just like US but at least they didnt annex Iraq. Your Putin is worse than them by far.
They do not support the western policy in Ukraine. That's enough for me to know that US establishment cannot talk on behalf of the whole world.
But they also say publicly they wont back Putin if he goes into Ukraine with troops for any reason. Again: nobody has your backs, and if you live in Russia you dont have access to both sides of the story. only US side and yours. both your countries are restricting access to data and the facts, so you'll blindly support one side or other- wake up.
I pity ukrain ,if ukrainians allow U.S military intervention in this crises by continue to agitate for crimea annexation.what they will lose will be more than mere territory.they should try to remember what happem tn vietnam,korea during the course of the cold war.more than two million people lost their life in vietnam war.to me Russia is ready to enter war with U.S on this crises and if this is the case the third world war is imminent
USA, this is the time to show why you are the world leader, put a check on dictator countries like Russia by conducting joint military exercises with Ukraine at the western border of Ukraine, let's see if Russia can try any nonsense if US is openly supporting Ukraine
America doesn't support Ukraine anymore than eu doesn't support ukraine they are only looking out for their best interests and as for IndiA we support RussiA! so anyone else differs otherwise should not speak for us!
let him show. US will need come to Russia ) Welcome
ALL problems in Russia are as the result of a CIA plot.. That's been a 'given' for over 50 years..Even weather conditions..
Everything that is wrong in the world is the fault of the US. (sarcasm)
to be very blunt and honest it is the fault of the illegal white turds who are illegally resided in America and KA-NA-TA OUR LAND!
The CIA-engineered rump regime in Kiev is coming apart at the seams.
Their unwillingness or inability to pay for gas is only part of the problem.
Maybe Greystone-Blackwater will save the day. As they did not do in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Arnold Lockshin, political exile from the US living in Moscow
The Putin supporters are no better than the US ones who did Vietnam, Iraq, etc. Russia has been no better, especially under Putin. They lie to get their war, just like US they hate so much. Ukraine hasnt been part of Russia for decades now, its not your people or country anymore. They decide their own finances, not Gazprom or Putin. Man up and deal with it, because at this point Putin supporters are much like the Nazis their granfathers died to save them from.
Do you know what Nazism?
"They decide their own finances, not Gazprom or Putin. "
OK. So why should Russia keep giving subsidies to Ukraine, if this is an independent country? Ukrainian governments over these two decades behaved like a teenager, who wants to demonstrate his independence from the father, but continues to ask for money. It's time to stop, if Ukraine indeed wants to be independent.
Russia stopped the subsedy and THEN doubled the price! FACT... So increasing the price further really helped? its a destabilization tactic. Your gov't supported one of those teenagers, even when he ordered gunjing down innocents in the street. if suppressing peoples voices, attacking minorities, controlling media and discourse through fear and money, and invading countries isnt nazism then what is? Ukraine IS independent, and Big Brother Putin is trying to take it over. Its clear to the rest of planet, including russian allies, that Putin and Gazprom want war for glory and profit, to hide abuses the world saw and condemed at Sochi. Its facts and obvious. Your just as blind as USA and Fox News except the US citizens dont believe Fox for anything. Bought and paid for is Russian media, history repeats, except this time the leader is blonde and last time he had a mustache.
Oh, yes... it was the west. Yeah. It was the west who dropped unmarked troops into Chechnya, forced a referendum of secession, while simultaneously blocking out everyone but Russians, then threatened the gas supply for Europe.
Yeah... it was the west... West of Alaska.
It was a West who supported a violent overthrow of an elected government by pressing Yanukovich and by giving money to the opposition (for instance, German media didn't even try to hide the fact that Germany did a lot to support Klichko, including a financial support)
and Russia lies about its forces and intentions. No one in the west believes your propaganda because its one state-run media saying one thing, while all other media around the world says different things. Russia's macho actions speak for themselves. You guys are in the wrong on this one, the world sees it and you dont, and invoking past wrong US actions does not make your wrong actions ok. Raising gas prices to punish ukraine and break their economy is not exactly winning russia any allies, and proves CNNs points, and proves russian supporters are liars brainwashed. facts are facts as are russian soldiers manipulating things in Ukraine in secret. Deal with it, you are now nazis. praise glorius putin all hail motherland... truth hurts!
to Real Talk: you sick my friend
Now you are talking on behalf of the whole west, not the whole world. This is already a progress. Nice. 🙂
However, I have to upset you. The point is that there is no iron curtain anymore. We can communicate westerners directly or we can read their posts in the web. I use to do both. I can tell you that I have a feeling that the majority of Europeans do not support USA-EU actions in Ukraine. You may visit British blogs and see. 🙂 Moreover, a reasonable fraction of Americans share similar points of view.
As a summary, you cannot talk even on behalf of the West. 🙂
Unfortunately some russian propagandists feel the need to assault anyone who sees the truth of this issue. Russia is clearly the aggresor on all fronts. I can speak for "the west" because I am looking at all sides, you and your propagandists however hit any critic of russia hard. why is that? maybe the west feels no need to attack the obvious russian lies, and the russians know their view is dishonest and lies and needs to try to constantly convince the West that they are right. well your simply fascists and the world at large sees it, even your allies. why not listen to video of what world leaders actually say, oh yeah sorry, your country is blocking those videos, according to your own citizens. Think for a second i know its hard: russian media presents one view; west media presents many many different ones. west has many different thoughts presented from warhawks to pacisfists, russia has one... no one is assaulting journalists in France or UK about this; in russia... you know the deal... whose populace is brainwashed. its obvious. hope putin is paying you guys well
We must live in the peace.Politicians should understand this simple things..
So Obama says that it is ok for the US and its allies to have troops way beyond their borders all over the world, but Russia can't move their troops closer to the border even within their own country. What kind of logic is that?
please we want peace in the world not war ...PLS God Protect president PUTIN because he is the only one who can stand for the truth..
I think the problem is that we all know Russia is governed by the mafia and crooks. So, no, we don't trust a word you say. I wonder, where did Putin get his massive wealth from over the last 10-years? I guess he didn't steal it from his own people did he???? Politicians everywhere are corrupt but in Russia they don't even bother to hide that. I don't trust crooks and theives. I don't trust Russia.
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Basically the a Russian law maker is saying, Ukraine wants to become a democratic free society and we don't like it. The way the law maker put his case was eloquent though. And on some points he made a fairly good case. But ultimately Russia invaded Ukraine and took a chunk out of it. Just because a country decides to favor a political system you don't agree with, does not give you the right to invade. The thing the Russian law maker doesn't understand, the people will always favor democracy and freedom. Why? Because it is more advantageous to the 99%. Maybe the west does always think the worst of Russia, but if Russia wants that to ever change it needs to learn to do the right thing once in awhile. And the right thing doesn't mean invasion, or deceit and deception. The west will always question the motives of a government that squelches any form of speech criticizing the government. That is what the US stands for still right? Freedom of speech without oppression or persecution?
"Please let Russia deal with Ukraine on it's own"
-60%-70% of American CITIZENS
I sometimes wonder if Russians have unbiased history taught in their schools. Stalin would have the books rewritten every five years especially after WWll as to Russia's role in the invasion of the satellite countries. Have those textbooks been rewritten again or d the books still comment that Russia was saving the proletariat from the exploitation by capitalists.
The USA feeds 3/4 of the world. We need to stop giving food to all these "grateful" countries like Russia. Ha Ha!!!
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do usa&israel use the internet(facebook,youtube,twitter, chat rooms ..ect)to collect informations,can we call that spying??
they ask for ur name,age,gender,occupation,location&sometimes political point of veiw?!?!
do they record&analyse everything we do on the internet,,can they harm you using these informations??
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هل تستخدم امريكا و اسرائيل الانترنت بمواقعه (فيس بوك,يوتيوب,تويتر,غرف الشات....الخ) للتجسس؟
warning you may be watched
do usa&israel use the internet(facebook,youtube,twitter, chat rooms ..ect)to collect informations,can we call that spying??
they ask for ur name,age,gender,occupation,location&sometimes political point of veiw?!?!
do they record&analyse everything we do on the internet,,can they harm you using these informations??
تحذير قد تكون مراقب
هل تستخدم امريكا و اسرائيل الانترنت بمواقعه (فيس بوك,يوتيوب,تويتر,غرف الشات....الخ) للتجسس؟
warning you may be watched
do usa&israel use the internet(facebook,youtube,twitter, chat rooms ..ect)to spy??
do usa&israel use the internet 2 collect informations,,can we call that spying??
they ask for ur name,age,gender,occupation,location&sometimes political point of veiw?!?!
do they record&analyse everything we do on the internet,,can they harm you using these informations??
Putin has not learned a skill vital to world leaders. You can't just keep backing your adversaries into a corner with no escape. In Moldova, Georgia, and Ukraine the options Russia has given their adversary has been "surrender or get beaten". There has never been a face saving exit. Ukraine and the international community gave tacit approval to the takeover of Crimea (vocal protests and meaningless sanctions) and Russia has immediately tried to repeat in other areas of eastern Ukraine. Eventually one of two things will happen, either Russia will stop on its own (unlikely) or the rest of the world will fight back.
A deal is a deal. Yeltsin agreed to respect the boundaries of its neighbours in exchange for keeping the lion's share of military hardware, including all of the former Soviet nukes, and a permanent seat on the UN security council. If Putin and other Russians are unhappy with this deal, well that's just too bad.
A bunch of Americans actually came from (i.e. FLED) or have or had relatives in Soviet states, the former Eastern Bloc, or in areas that have had bad experiences with Russians. When you stop calling Ukrainians fascists and you know, invading people for a generation or two, others might not think the worst of you.
Don't you people realize, the majority of people in Europe don't care, they are more interested in what's happening in their own lives.
They know all politicians whatever their country lie through their teeth, and try to interfere in other country's if it suits their plans.
Why are you concerned about Ukraine and Russia, they are just corrupt and run by local mafia's, just the mob falling out with another mob, anyone doing business with them must be mad.
Reginald, I agree with you that anyone doing business with Russia or Ukraine and thinking there would be business done in good faith are really naive.
But I must disagree with you about Europe. I think people in Europe care, a lot, at least those in Eastern Europe.
Of course the West sees Russia in the worst possible light, And we are rarely disappointed. When it comes to bad behavior, Russia always delivers.
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