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Vietnam accuses China of ‘creating facts on the ground’
By Mick Krever, CNN
China is “creating facts on the ground” in the South China Sea, Vietnam’s Ambassador to the U.S. Nguyễn Quốc Cường told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour on Wednesday.
At question is an area of the South China Sea near the Paracel Islands; China this month installed an oil rig in an area both countries claim as their own.
This week a Chinese boat rammed and sunk a Vietnamese fishing boat near the oil rig; and in Vietnam, violent riots against the Chinese have forced Beijing to evacuate thousands of its workers.
“China is trying to turn [an] undisputed area into a disputed area. And that is unacceptable,” Nguyễn Quốc Cường said.
In an interview with Amanpour last week, Chinese Ambassador Cui Tiankai disputed one Vietnamese claim after another.
“We don't want to see any conflicts in our neighborhood,” Ambassador Cui said. “But it will not entirely – it will not be entirely up to us, you see. Other people have to have the same constructive attitude and policy.”
“We have no other way but to respond peacefully but resolutely,” Nguyễn Quốc Cường told Amanpour.
As China grows increasingly powerful economically and militarily, it is flexing its muscle in territorial disputes – with Vietnam, but also with Japan and the Philippines.
The attitude was summed up well by China’s own then-foreign minister, Yang Jiechi, who in 2010 told his Singaporean counterpart, “China is a big country and other countries are small countries, and that's just a fact,” according to the Washington Post.
“It’s [an] unjustifiable argument,” Nguyễn Quốc Cường said.
“We cannot accept the coercion; we cannot accept threats. And when the issue of sovereignty and national integrity is concerned, the Vietnamese people are very determined to defend our sovereignty rights.”
“No country should underestimate the Vietnamese people’s determination to defend our sovereignty and sovereign rights.”
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The United States, too, is a big country, which many small countries in this part of the world look up to for support and solidarity.
on Sept 6~14, 1958, Vietnamese Premier Phạm Văn Đồng noted Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai that Vietnam admitted the islands (South Sa and West Sa ) are the territory of China, and it economic areas (12 sea miles). you can find the newspaper in Vietnam.
the photo copy of the as said letter from 1958 can be seen at this address:
http://pic.tiexue.net/bbs_7633191_2.html
Did not matter what Pham van Dong letter was. His was PM of North Vietnam so the Geneva accord and San Francisco WWII meeting have been legally to South Vietnam. Pham Van Dong does not have the right to give any country which he did not have. You meant you can take someone belonging and give to the others? That thinking only happened in China.
I checked the link...however, the paper had no part of "the islands...are the territory of China"...sorry...i am afraid your evidence is not true...
Max, should I remind you that half true is not true: You ommited several facts when talking about letter from then Vietnamese PM Pham Van Dong to Chinese PM Zhou Enlai on Sept 6~14, 1958:
1. Fact: At that time, as result of Geneva Accord which China is one of the signatories, there are two governments in Vietnam: Republic Democratic of Vietnam in the North, and Republic of Vietnam in the South. And at that time, also pursuant to Geneva Accord which China is one of the signatories, Paracel Island and Spratley Islands are under control of Republic of Vietnam in the South. So Pham Van Dong as PM of Republic Democratic of Vietnam in the North had no right to say anything about these 2 islands and in fact he did not say anything about the 2 islands. The letter therefor had nothing to do with these 2 islands. At the same time, Republic of Vietnam in the South publicly and strongly protest against China claims of the 2 islands.
2. Fact: In 1974, China used military forces to invaded Paracel Islands which were being controlled legally by Republic of Vietnam in the South according to Geneva Accord which China is one of signatories. So China gained coltrol of Paracel Islands via illegal act and it is still illegal until now.
hey, I don't know you don't understand or you are trying not to understand but I tried to open my eyes widely to find out the words decribing that Mr. Phạm Văn Đồng had admitted the ilands belong to China. In the end, I could not find any words. He only admitted the 12 nm territorial zone of China. And you should admit the fact that Vietnam was divided into 2 parts at that time, The Democratic Republic of Vietnam did not own these islands. That means the announcement is not valid.
THE LETTER FROM THE EX VIETNAMESE PRIME MINISTER NEVER MENTIONED THE ISLANDS IN QUESTION. CHINA PURPOSELY DISTORTED THE TRUTH AND WRONGFULLY MISINTERPRET THE LETTER FOR ITS OWN ADVANTAGE. SHAME ON YOU, CHINA! Did you read the letter in full to understand what it said, or do you refuse to know the truth, and decide just to use China propaganda to justify your cause? But why am not surprise. It has always been China's tactics: DECEIVING, STEALING, BRAINWASHING its people. They do not stop at any evil action to get their way.
Link here http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_7633191_1.html
Just to clarify for everyone. The diplomatic letter of 1958 is not valid being as it was written by Northern Vietnam and the two disputed island at that time belong to Southern Vietnam so lets stop using that 1958 diplomatic letter as an excuse
Max are you Chinliar? If you are Chinliar, then I don't have anything to say.
I think everyone should read this
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/04/01/merkel_map_message_china
Chinese dream is the world's nightmare. China needs to re-look at themselves to understand why they are hated by everyone in the world.
Hien
San Francisco WWII meeting have been legally to South Vietnam
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do you really think other people are Illiteracies that you can Unscrupulously fool?
You and your China government always claim of Pham Van Dong's letter to prove your sovereignty of Paracel and Spratly islands. I don't see any word on the letter states these islands belong to China but you could explain by the way that benefit you most and VN also could do so. My question is if the South Vietnam was a winner of the Vietnam War so that letter would be useless and all of these islands should belong to VN, is it right? I think your evident is so weak in this case and stop using it if you don't want to lose the game. Unfortunately, you don't have any other than that..Sorry...
China, on the other hand, is in an illusion that it is a super power and therefor it can do whatever it wants. It's like a mad dog right now, trying to bite every country surrounding it. China has been an aggressive invader for a long time in history, and now it thinks it has a little power to begin imperialism again in ASIA. China is an evil country because all it wants is stealing from around the world, invading its neighbors. What good did China do to the world, except causing pollution, manufacturing deadly products, stealing intellectual properties and other countries' secrets for its economic advantageous. It's the worst country in the world because its government not only lied to the world, but also lied to its people, brainwashed them, and restricted their freedom to the max. Chinese government lied to and murdered its own people. No country wants to be friend with China, since it's like a snake. It pretends to shake hand with you but always tries to stab you in the back. China wants to be a super power but IT CAN NEVER BE A SUPER POWER WITH ITS CURRENT AGGRESSIVE POLICIES AND DISREGARD FOR INTERNATIONAL LAWS, FOR IT CAN NEVER GAIN RESPECT AND COPPERATION from other countries if all it wants to do is stealing from them and invading their territories.
not all countries have the honor to be hated by everyone in the world.especially such countries as vietnam.it is only IGNORED by everyone in the world.
U are a supper psycho sicko.
"Chinese dream" = Nightmare world
Chinese is the worst nightmare of Asia. They are so cunning!
and the american dream = anyone who dont aggree me go to hell
I am not sure what is American dream.
But I am prety sure that Chinese dream = immigrating to USA to have American dream. Don't deny it, just be honest to yourself.
And we, as Vietnamese, we have our Vietnamese dream too. We dream that all Chinese immigrate to USA so we can live peacefully forever. But sorry for Canadian and Mexican!
Justice will always prevail. Evil will be defeated. Watch out, China (the Evil)!
no viet you are wrong
there two kind of chinese in the world,
one like licking ass of amercian,the other like kicking ass of amercian
considering the population base,the former one is insignificant
i said the american dream = anyone who dont aggree me go to hell,
i was talking about american hegemonism
no offence i do think US is a great country
but i am also really curious about the obsession of the supremacy deep in every american's heart and dream
the US president Obama had just described this obsession few days ago at West Point just like this
——the US will rule the world in NEXT 100 years.
come on seriously ,how many normal presidents in democracy nations would say something like that ???
Oh my God! You, as I predicted, deny right away! I told you don't deny lah!
i am sure that the american dream of a Viet may be like this:
get paid more dollars after my tight aas lubricated by Agent-Orange got fcked by my new yankee bro
oh god, what time did this couple of new lovers start to gay each other as if nothing happened in the past ??
its really surprising to see so many Viets hanging around in the internet?
i used to think Viets dont surf internet because
"charlie dont surf"!!!!!
i was wrong , the american dream of a Viet Is a Apocalypse Now !!!!
To "I am not nuts": Why do you Chinese want to kick ass of American? They didn't steal your islands nor your oil reserve. So why you Chinese want to kick their ass? Is it because you think you are a big country so you can kick ass of anyone you want? The way you describe your people shows how combative you are.
To all othersL Yes, Vietnamese and American did have a bloody time in the past. The same as Vietnamese and Chinese. The difference between American and Chinese is American know how to come back to Vietnam in a peaceful way, while Chinese just can not learn the lessons in the past. Chinese have been trying to invade Vietnam since thousands years, have never managed to conquer, but still don't want to stop. We will be welcome you Chinese to come to our country if you stop stealing from us and stop thinking that you can kick ass anyone in the world just because you are a big country. Your way of thinking is totally wrong.
Chinese dream means most Chinese,if not all,dreaming of immigrating to the developed countries
haha, most of human beings in this world are dreedy. You should know that fact 🙂
sorry, replied to wrong peron (I don't know how to cancel it)
The so-called "Peaceful Rise of China" does not appear to be peaceful at all !
Very good. I totally support china stealing oil. They also need to start invading countries left, right, and center.
let it be.
My name's Quang, I'm from Ha Noi, Viet Nam, Thank for all support my country. If you come vietnam you will see, vietnam is the nation love peace and we will have much smile give for all guest comming Viet Nam. Thank you for everyone.
You should learn English before you start posting here, Quang
why does that matter?
And the chinese should learn about better behavior, not bully, stealing and act like a big boy without brain before comment here
Go back home and I will teach you again.
I think his English is perfectly fine. You got his point right? He communicated effectively. Let's see you do the same in Vietnamese.
I can understand what he means and sure that everyone here can also. What is the matter? The true matter your ambassador are lying to the world about what Chinese government did at VN Economic exclusive zone. The island claimed by him is in fact invaded and occupied by force. And an other thing, if you really mean to, you should ask your ambassador to improve his english pronunciation skill first.
Shang, you are a disrespectful man, I have ever seen. Your mouth and brain are so stink.
Quang, Your English is very good! And get lost, Shang! I just want to post this under this Shang person so he/she can read (hopefully he can understand English). Please remember that although Vietnam is a peace loving country, HOWEVER A COUNTRY CANNOT HAVE PEACE WITHOUT ITS FREEDOM FROM FOREIGN INVASIONS. History has taught that. The Vietnamese ancestors had fought foreign invasions with their blood and lives for the Vietnamese people to have the country today. So every Vietnamese should do the best they can, even if it means sacrificing their lives, to protect the country from foreign invasions. Do not let small things go, since one small thing leads to another, and soon all the small things will become a BIG thing, at that time it may be too tale. FIGHT WITH ALL YOU CAN FOR THE FREEDOM OF VIETNAM FROM FOREIGN INVASIONS AND HARASSMENTS! JUSTICE WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL, and EVIL WILL BE DEFEATED!
He can improve his English. Can China improves its behavior?
you think your English is better Stupido? )
Dear Shang,
Do you understand the words of Emperor Quang Trung below:
"Fighting for nice hair
Fighting for ebony teeth
Fighting to chinese robbers have no wheels to return
Fighting to they have no intact pieces of armour
Fighting to it has to be written to history that heroic Vietnam has been owner's land."
If there is something wrong in English, please correct them for me.
Quoc Hung.
I have a Canadian friend who spent a few years in Vietnam recently and married a lovely girl from there. I know we fought a war with each other, and some of my family members were involved. However, we invaded the country in support of the colonial French. Our side lost, but the South Vietnamese and North have managed to turn things around and have become a more prosperous county. I may not agree with your political system, but I fully support you in your fight against the Chinese. The Chinese actions against there neighbors are without merit. Suddenly it's convenient to claim their neighbors property. Most people probably don't know that their cheap clothes from China, are actually being manufactured in Vietnam. I call on my countrymen to support the Vietnamese and bury old hatreds. China must be stopped.
china created tensions in his neighbored country..china is abusing his power over weak...he must be stopped at all cost...for he is provoking war..it might be world war 3 if china never stop of what they are doing...
Wow, your words are so meaningful to us. Thank you so much for your support!!!. I know this will never happen but just wishing that peoples around the world would treat well and leave peacefully together
Thank you John, the world and American should understand that all Vietnamese keep the history of war in mind but now we don't "eat" the past to live. We want to co-operate with all the countries in the world to build up a good economy & better living for Vietnamese, we exprerienced many years in war and know that it's terrible, we don't want a war anymore. That why we don't fight China when he keep putting aggressive in the sea. Powerful China weapon is nonsense with us.
Before 1970, the Vietnamese Gov always admitted all the islands inside the nine-dotted line are the territory of China, in any media, in newspapers, map, textbooks.
on June 15, 1956，deputy foreign affairs minster firmly said that, all the islands belonged to China early in Song Dynasty ( from 960-1279). you can find the newspaper in Vietnam.
on Sept 6~14, 1958, Vietnamese Premier Phạm Văn Đồng noted Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai that Vietnam admitted the islands (South Sa and West Sa ) are the territory of China, and it economic areas (12 sea miles). you can find the newspaper in Vietnam.
On May 9, 1965, th VN Gov. once again admitted firmly that the West sa belongs to China. it was responded to the American President John ??. sorry I do not know the name of the president.
On May 13, 1969, the People's Daily (Bao Nhan Dan) reported that An American military plane invaded the West Sa of China. the similary reports were seen in many times in VN newspapers.
The VN Maps also admitted the fact that the South China Sea belongs to China. you can see the World Map in 1960 in VN, the World Maps collection in 1972, and the textbooks in 1974 in Vietnam. they all clearly marked the West Sa and South Sa belong to China.
After 1975, because the oil found in South China Sea, the VN Gov began to change its stand, and occupied more 30 islands, the later conflicts happened in later 1970's, 1980,s are all caused by the invasion of Vietnam.
@li: Vietnam's invasion of China? Yeah, right. That's as likely as Mexico invading the USA.
"Before 1970..."...there were 2 governments in Vietnam..get your facts straight before you speak. When you failed to provide the truth/correct fact, the rest of your comment is useless!
China has recently again cited Prime Minister Pham Van Dong’s 1958 Diplomatic Note as a "proof” of Vietnam’s recognition of China's sovereignty over the two archipelagoes of Hoang Sa and Truong Sa. But this is a ridiculous "play" being performed again by China since the Vietnamese public has clearly analyzed the contents and confirmed the particularly, no declaration was made on Vietnam’s abandonment of its sovereignty over the two archipelagos.
http://en.vietnam.vn/DetailsList/The-1958-Diplomatic-Note-With-Vietnams-Sovereignty-Over-Hoang-Sa-And-Truong-Sa-Archipelagos.html
@li : reading your posted again and again make me so tired, would you please write something else better than that? Everybody knows about the story, people also know what's happening. Any of chinese die out there? but yes, Vietnamese does, china boats was hit straight to Vietnamese fisher's boat, one people died and the other one still missing. Ridiculously!
Do you want to see more how "good thing" china goverment doing at South China Sea? check on the videoclip here:
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onbcp2zReVo&w=640&h=360]
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhtRRW5yVC0&w=640&h=360]
Watch it to know more about reality thing happening in South China Sea!!
Thanks Li for your attempt to give this such useless information and not new to any one who has researched the history upon the Region as well as the UNCLOS.
Everybody knows that the China's south pole border ends at Hainan island as shown in many maps officially issued by the Qing Dynasty or any Chinese Regime afterward (one of these maps was recently "gifted" to the current China president JinPing by German PM Merkel – Li should look over on this ^.^). The current nine-dash border is merely a product of Chiang Kai-shek's imagination – he was really a smart man for sure.
For the Note of PM Pham Van Dong, this is just a political statement that is suitable to the international terms and laws at that time (12 nautical miles from the main-land). Moreover, firstly, in the Note, there was no word regarding to the Hoang Sa and Truong Sa of Vietnam. Secondly, at that time, the Hoang Sa and Truong Sa islands were under the management of the Republic of Vietnam – a registered nation to the UN. Therefore, the Note has no legal value for sure.
The fact is that China knows himself lack of legal and historic evidences to support his claims, as a result, he continuously refuses to use any peaceful method like international arbitration or court to protect his claim.
China is big and strong, sure. China believes in himself power, sure. China has the right to do what he wants, sure..... no care of mankind civilization and, of course, he is far from becoming a respectful nation. Chinese Gov is truely the biggest unhearted liar of all time.
After WWII agreement in San Francisco to turn all Paracels archipelagos and Spartly archipelagos to Vietnam from French of course many VietNam Kings had been sending troops and people to live there since 17th century. Taiwan invaded Ba Binh island in 1956 and camped there. China invaded the North side of Paracels archipelagos in 1958 then invaded the whole Paracels archipelagos in Jan 17-19, 1974 from South VietNam.
China should ADMITTED as an invader NOT the other way around. You Han Chinese has been very good in stealing.
Hey, have you ever seen the gift that Ms. Angela Merkel give to your President Xi Jinping in April this year yet? If not then I think below link would be helpful for you to understand the truth. If you canot see it because of your country policy which limits the oversea websites to it' citizens, please contact me. I will give you more. Enjoy and you will like it! 🙂
http://time.com/46414/angela-merkel-xi-jinping-china-germany-map/
Hi Li, no need to talk more about the evidences, just go the the international Court. The truth will come out there, is it ok?
You and China underestimate the intelligence of people outside China. Historical facts, information are free and repeating the same thing over and again don't make it right. Wake up to the 21st century to face the Philippines and Vietnam at the UN Court of Arbitration or similar mechanism: a civilized medium for your belief and fabrication against others. Meanwhile, quit bully small neighbors! Your "century of humiliation" was caused by somebody else. Face them if you dare or we call you a coward.
I respect Chinese people and their culture but I don't like the way Chinese government distorts the history by their propaganda tools to fool their own people. They always mentioned 1958 note by North Vietnam prime minister Pham Van Dong in such a way that makes the audience misunderstand the situation.
First of all, in 1958 there were still 2 countries which were North Vietnam and South Vietnam. In the 1958 note, the North VN prime minister, on behalf of North Vietnam government, only noted and supported China’s claim of its 12-nautical-mile territorial sea. He did not mention Paracel and Spratly islands in the historical context that Paracel and Spratly islands in practice were under the rule of South Vienam under Geneva Convention 1954, in which China were one of the signatory participants.
Secondly, there is no denying the fact that in 1974, China used military force to occupy the Paracel Islands. This act of aggression violated a peremptory norm of international law (jus cogens), prohibiting the use of force in international relations as provided in Article 2(4) of the UN Charter.
Moreover, China’s statements that there is no dispute over the Paracel Islands are contrary to what has been acknowledged by China’s leaders. For example, in September 1975, the then deputy prime minister, Deng Xiaoping, told the then first secretary-general of the Vietnam Workers’ Party, Le Duan, that the two sides (Vietnam and China) had different opinions about the Paracel and Spratly islands, which would be resolved through negotiations. This statement was recorded in the Chinese Foreign Affairs Ministry’s aide memoire dated May 12, 1988.
Please be fair and don't distort the history.
Li are you Chinliar? If you are Chinliar, the I don't have anything to say!
I got what you mean Quang. Most of people in this world have a warm heat and friendly manner except some Chinese.
Your English is very good! Although Vietnam is a peace loving country, please AWAYS REMEMBER THAT A COUNTRY CANNOT HAVE PEACE WITHOUT ITS FREEDOM FROM FOREIGN INVASIONS. History has taught that. The Vietnamese ancestors had fought foreign invasions with their blood and lives for the Vietnamese people to have the country today. So every Vietnamese should do the best they can, even if it means sacrificing their lives, to protect the country from foreign invasions. Do not let small things go, since one small thing leads to another, and soon all the small things will become a BIG thing, at that time it may be too tale. FIGHT WITH ALL YOU CAN FOR THE FREEDOM OF VIETNAM FROM FOREIGN INVASIONS AND HARASSMENTS!
yeah your country people were so friendly and nice that you cant help yourself robbing and killing foreigners and destroying foreign properties.
Vietnamese exploration teams and fishermen have been to Spratly and Paracel Islands since the feudalism times. China just exploited the conflicts after the Vietnam war, when Vietnamese navy was extremely weak after the war, to occupy these islands by force. It's a shame, and now they had to invent the damn nine-dotted line to make their actions look more legal. They have better go home !
Should ask your american buddies to put no fly zone on china, no ?
and now they had to invent the damn nine-dotted line to make their actions look more legal
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i am sorry but china claimed the nine-dotted line in 1947, not now,
that is a basic fact.
and your gov and your former colony master didnt challenge this until oil was found in this area in 1970s.
and to any westerner who think china's claim is "over excessive"
please just look at the map that the Vietnam claims,
it is not only excessive but also ridiculous
considering Vietnam is not a big country and the sea area they claim as their own is 12 times bigger than its land territory.
Ok China created and claimed that nine-dotted line in 1947 but Vietnam had various evidences of exploiting Paracel and Spratly Islands. One of the first claim was written in Phu Bien Tap Luc (撫邊雜錄) in 1776. Therefore, your argument is completely invalid. Remember the fact that in 1974 Chinese army used violence to force all South Vietnam soldiers out of the Crescent Group (who had always been there since 1956 following the Geneva Accord) and killed 75 of them. The Chinese army once again used force in 1988 in Spratly Islands and killed 88 Vietnamese soldiers. It is easily to see who is the expansionist and bully in the region.
必须指出，中越双方过去在西沙群岛和南沙群岛的归属问题上，本来并不存在争议。在一个相当长的时期内，越南方面无论在其政府的声明、照会中，还是在报刊、地图和教科书中，都正式承认西沙群岛和南沙群岛自古以来就是中国的领土。
1956年6月15日，越南民主共和国外交部副部长雍文谦接见中国驻越南大使馆临时代办李志民，郑重表示：“根据越南方面的资料，从历史上看，西沙群岛和南沙群岛应当属于中国领土。”当时在座的越南外交部亚洲司代司长黎禄进一步具体介绍了越南方面的材料，指出：“从历史上看，西沙群岛和南沙群岛早在宋朝时就已经属于中国了。”
1958年9月4日，中华人民共和国政府发表声明，宣布中华人民共和国的领海宽度为12海里，并且明确指出：“这项规定适用于中华人民共和国的一切领土，包括……东沙群岛、西沙群岛、中沙群岛、南沙群岛以及其他属于中国的岛屿。”9月6日，越南劳动党中央机关报《人民报》就在第一版显著位置报道了中国政府这一声明的详细内容。《人民报》说：“1958年9月4日，中华人民共和国政府发表了关于领海问题的声明。声明规定：中国领海的宽度为12海里（约22公里多）。这项规定适用于中华人民共和国的一切领土，包括中国大陆及其沿海岛屿和台湾及其周围各岛，澎湖、东沙、西沙、中沙、南沙各群岛，以及其他远离中国大陆和远离中国沿海岛屿的属于中国的岛屿。”同年9月14日，越南政府总理范文同照会中国国务院总理周恩来，郑重表示：“越南民主共和国政府承认和赞同中华人民共和国政府1958年9月4日关于领海决定的声明”。“越南民主共和国政府尊重这项决定”。范文同的照会清楚地表明越南政府承认西沙群岛和南沙群岛是中国领土。
1965年5月9日，越南民主共和国政府就美国政府确定美军在越南的“作战区域”问题发表声明，指出：“美国总统约翰逊把整个越南和越南海岸以外宽约一百海里的附近海域，以及中华人民共和国西沙群岛的一部分领海规定为美国武装力量的作战区域”，这是“对越南民主共和国及其邻国安全的直接威胁”。越南政府在这里再次明确承认西沙群岛是中国的领土。
越南方面在报道外国侵犯西沙群岛的行动时，也曾明确承认西沙群岛属于中国。例如，越南《人民报》1969年5月13日报道说：“5月10日，美国军用飞机一架侵犯了中国广东省西沙群岛永兴岛和东岛领空。”越南报纸还曾多次作过类似的报道。
越南出版的官方地图和教科书都曾明确承认西沙群岛和南沙群岛是中国的领土。例如，1960年越南人民军总参谋部地图处编绘的《世界地图》，按中国名称标注西沙群岛和南沙群岛，并在这两个群岛名称之后，括注属于中国。1972年5月越南总理府测量和绘图局印制的《世界地图集》，也仍用中国名称标注西沙群岛和南沙群岛。又如，1974年越南教育出版社出版的普通学校九年级《地理》教科书，在《中华人民共和国》一课中写道：“从南沙、西沙各岛到海南岛、台湾岛、澎湖列岛、舟山群岛，……这些岛呈弓形状，构成了保卫中国大陆的一座‘长城’。”
越南方面煞有介事地强调，要想证明领土主权，必须拿出“属于国家的正式材料”和“具有法理价值的文件”。我们上面所引证的恰恰都是越南方面“属于国家的正式材料”和“具有法理价值的文件”。这清楚地说明了越南政府在1974年以前一直承认西沙群岛和南沙群岛是中国的领土。现在，越南当局竟出尔反尔，自食其言，完全背离了它原来承认西沙群岛和南沙群岛是中国领土的立场，这是国际法所绝对不能允许的。
Before 1970, the Vietnamese Gov always admitted all the islands inside the nine-dotted line are the territory of China, in any media, in newspapers, map, textbooks.
on June 15, 1956，deputy foreign affairs minster firmly said that, all the islands belonged to China early in Song Dynasty ( from 960-1279). you can find the newspaper in Vietnam.
on Sept 6~14, 1958, Vietnamese Premier Phạm Văn Đồng noted Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai that Vietnam admitted the islands (South Sa and West Sa ) are the territory of China, and it economic areas (12 sea miles). you can find the newspaper in Vietnam.
On May 9, 1965, th VN Gov. once again admitted firmly that the West sa belongs to China. it was responded to the American President John ??. sorry I do not know the name of the president.
On May 13, 1969, the People's Daily (Bao Nhan Dan) reported that An American military plane invaded the West Sa of China. the similary reports were seen in many times in VN newspapers.
The VN Maps also admitted the fact that the South China Sea belongs to China. you can see the World Map in 1960 in VN, the World Maps collection in 1972, and the textbooks in 1974 in Vietnam. they all clearly marked the West Sa and South Sa belong to China.
After 1975, because the oil found in South China Sea, the VN Gov began to change its stand, and occupied more 30 islands, the later conflicts happened in later 1970's, 1980,s are all caused by the invasion of Vietnam.
dangbuibach,i cant post here because CNN censored me and delete my posts
why not we change our way of thinking
as you said in 1970s and 1980s there were bloody fights between the two countries on the sea.
but why none of the american said that was a problem, china was a big bully and you deserved sympathy
why dont they chatter anything they are chattering today ?
no matter how many "friends" you guys can find here.
and no matter how badly your "friends" will bash the chinese "for you",
it is unreal,people serve for their own interests,both you and me,and them too.
Can you, or anyone on earth please explain what is that dotted line about? It has no cordination, no official explaination, no international legal basis. So how the hell anyone on earth can challenge that virtual claim? And can you name a country, any country on this planet, agree with you about that dotted line?
i am not nuts:
I agree every country works its best for its people just like every individual. International laws are just like our ethical norms. If most of the people around you say your behavior is not good, you have to judge yourself again. The US didn't say anything in the bloody battles 1974 and 1988 because it was still fighting with communists in both cases. It has something to say now maybe due to the same reason. Regime change in China would probably make China behave with more responsibly and gain more respects in the future.
lets see the viet nam version of nine-dotted line :
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2829980242
DO ANYBODY HERE feel UPSET ????
They are just big mouthpieces for China's communist party.....just the pain in the butt and empty heads with no brains!
Here is an article from BBC talking about these Chinese nutters who have been paid to sway public debating to their master- Chinese government. You will know the truth and no need to tell "Li and I'm not nuts" off or challenge their theories of fallacies, just kick their asses....Li and I'm not nuts are these nutters.
China's internet 'spin doctors'
By Michael Bristow
BBC News, Beijing
Chinese internet cafe
Controlling views expressed on the internet is a challenge for authorities
China is using an increasing number of paid "internet commentators" in a sophisticated attempt to control public opinion.
These commentators are used by government departments to scour the internet for bad news – and then negate it.
They post comments on websites and forums that spin bad news into good in an attempt to shape public opinion.
Chinese leaders seem aware that the internet – the only public forum where views can be freely expressed – needs close attention.
China's Communist Party leaders have long sought to sway public opinion by controlling what the media can report.
Fair Dinkum
what are you going to do with me ahh?
burn me like burning a witch in middle age? your old tradition ahh?
let me tell you the turth
the CNN is deleting my posts at this moment so hard that it is just like a machine under totalitarianism !
what kind of a speech freedom !
answer the dissents by just blocking their big mouth ???
Your thinking is so limited to the size....think a bit further of the "distance", say, from Hainan ( China ) to Paracels Islands around 500 miles by sea, and from Danang (Vietnam ) around 100 miles which is much closer to those islands.
Under international recognitions and laws, this means Vietnam in her own right is able to claim her sovereignty, not China...However, by force, by fallacy, and specially by lying, China has tried to delude the world to have these islands scott free. This is also applied to the case of Philippines' claim against China for the Spratly islands where they are miles away from China....How silly Chinese government is ! Hopefully, this will make you smarter, not nuttier, in researching more info for own knowledge.
I guess, China needs her own lesson of being a superpower is not easy.
Big head finds it hard to swallow the lesson named "international law"
International law should be a law that based on human right. The love that shared between people. It should not be based on the benefit of a group of people. I hope you can understand well that, Xi Jinping
China has to stop the illegal actions to maintain the peace. China always says peace but always does against.
China should start legally invade and steal oil.
Big guy bullying his smaller neighbors is an disgusted behavior. China will find it more and more isolated and distrusted.
China perhaps need a new lesson that their ancestors had that more often than not in the past by creating war with Vietnam. But the matter now is the communist Vietnamese govt looks too coward in confronting the greedy & dirty Chinese.
And the US will only come in when they sense the blood!
coward? vietnam is trying to avoid sparking an international war and you call them cowards? i am sure they will fight china to the end but you better thank them for "coward" as you wouldn't be here if there was a new war.
CHINA IS ACTUALLY THE COWARD IN THIS CASE, FOR THE ONLY THING IT CAN USE IS IT"S MASSIVE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AGAINST A MUCH SMALLER COUNTRY. A BULLY IS ALWAYS A COWARD!
6 Chinese ships vs. 1 Vietnamese ship and Vietnam still fighting. If your Chinese in this situation, would fold up your tail and run.
Chinese think this is a fair fight : 6 Chinese vs. 1 Vietnamese. It's last more than 20 days, nobody win yet!
During a separate segment Amanpour mentioned that in addition to the 59,000 Americans who perished in the Vietnam War, "half a million Vietnamese also died." That's historical revisionism par excellence. Historians agree that at least 1.5 million died in that US-led war, although the Vietnamese side cites about 2.5 million deaths. And it's the winners who write istory, not the whiners.
This is why Amanpour is considered an American propagandist rather than a real journalist, but I wasn't aware of any shift in the US position on the casualties it caused during that war.
China should take a lesson from 40 years ago. If carpet bombing, napalm, and agent orange didn't beat them, what do you think you're going to achieve by fighting the Vietnamese? I think that you may find that while you are big, and they are small, they are not afraid to fight. Looks like the bully on the block may get a bloody nose.
Of course China is creating "facts", one only needs to actually look at the images that even China publishes on it's "territory" to understand what is going on with China and the S. China sea. They pour cement on submerged reefs, creating "territory", claim water rights out from there, and set up shop. The images of a group of Chinese soldiers trying to stand on a single rock off the coast of the Philippines is one of the funniest things I've seen in my life.
It's about the oil, plain and simple. Even if we did accept their claims to these bits of "territory", and accept the territorial waters off of them, they still, in no way whatsoever, encompass the amount of territorial waters they are claiming.
You are looking at the emergence of the newest oil hungry monster in the world – one that will put any idea of the US being oil hungry to shame.
Before 1970, the Vietnamese Gov always admitted all the islands inside the nine-dotted line are the territory of China, in any media, in newspapers, map, textbooks.
on June 15, 1956，deputy foreign affairs minster firmly said that, all the islands belonged to China early in Song Dynasty ( from 960-1279). you can find the newspaper in Vietnam.
on Sept 6~14, 1958, Vietnamese Premier Phạm Văn Đồng noted Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai that Vietnam admitted the islands (South Sa and West Sa ) are the territory of China, and it economic areas (12 sea miles). you can find the newspaper in Vietnam.
On May 9, 1965, th VN Gov. once again admitted firmly that the West sa belongs to China. it was responded to the American President John ??. sorry I do not know the name of the president.
On May 13, 1969, the People's Daily (Bao Nhan Dan) reported that An American military plane invaded the West Sa of China. the similary reports were seen in many times in VN newspapers.
The VN Maps also admitted the fact that the South China Sea belongs to China. you can see the World Map in 1960 in VN, the World Maps collection in 1972, and the textbooks in 1974 in Vietnam. they all clearly marked the West Sa and South Sa belong to China.
After 1975, because the oil found in South China Sea, the VN Gov began to change its stand, and occupied more 30 islands, the later conflicts happened in later 1970's, 1980,s are all caused by the invasion of Vietnam.
You obviously did not read history, Both Paracel and Spratly were administered by the Republic of Vietnam (or South Vietnam) before 1975. Therefore the any statement from the leader of North Vietnam had no effect whatsoever!
It's irony that Northern Vietnam only agree to respect the 12 nm territorial zone of China, not saying anything about those two archipelagos. The plan of taking Nine dotted line is made from 1947, so China will do any tricks and use any lies to claim the territory in the nine dotted line. Well, they're always cunning like that, since the ancient time.....zzz
Stop copy n paste your comment all over CNN, chink...There were 2 governments in Vietnam before 1975, like North and South Korea.
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvRbwxVKu9w&w=640&h=360]
Here your Chinese invaded Spartly of Vietnam in 1988. your evil acts here
He is just a big mouthpiece for China's communist party.....just a pain in the butt and an empty head with no brain!
Here is an article from BBC talking about these Chinese nutters who have been paid to sway public debating to their master- Chinese government. You will know the truth and no need to tell Li off , just kick his ass....Li is one these nutters.
China's internet 'spin doctors'
By Michael Bristow
BBC News, Beijing
Chinese internet cafe
Controlling views expressed on the internet is a challenge for authorities
China is using an increasing number of paid "internet commentators" in a sophisticated attempt to control public opinion.
These commentators are used by government departments to scour the internet for bad news – and then negate it.
They post comments on websites and forums that spin bad news into good in an attempt to shape public opinion.
Chinese leaders seem aware that the internet – the only public forum where views can be freely expressed – needs close attention.
China's Communist Party leaders have long sought to sway public opinion by controlling what the media can report.
westen countres invaded other countres in asia america and africa from 18th century till mid 20th. They pillage and enslave locals to build there own fortune. When they took enough they created "international law" to pervent the countres they once invaded to threat westen domination.
China is a big country and a powerfull one now. Unlike the westen country, China risen from ashes and worked their way to today's prosperity. We want peace but will not tolerate other countres big or small, took what is rightfully ours.
What you claim rightfully yours BELONG TO OTHER COUNTRIES, INVADER!!!, and nobody in the world acknowledges your claims but yourself and your deceitful, filthy, evil government. It's amazing that your people still bury your head in the sand and support your government's dictatorship, and believe their propaganda blindly. It's time to wake up, or China will become the most hated country in the world, It's is getting there.
Is that why you want to act like western countries hundreads years ago? If you want, you can go back to the stone age yourself, but we are living in modern world, and we respect international law.
Is there a possibility that china will retire its support from the United Nations for the sake of territorial expansion ?
Presently, when all the world has been explored and occupied, when nations are few, strong, and powerful, when these great and supposedly sovereign nations come to touch borders, when only oceans separate them, then will the stage be set for major wars, world-wide conflicts. So-called sovereign nations cannot rub elbows without generating conflicts and eventuating wars. (U134)
USA is the source of crime, war, death, invasion, terrorism. from 1950~2013, all the wars were mobilized by American. the so called main medai such CNN, BBC etc. are the accomplices of the USA government.
without USA, the world will be a peaceful, but now it is a miserable world of poor, death and unfair.
And your chink country is the source of bullying, war for thousands of years. Going to war for years is the reason why your chinks are still using water buffalo for farming while US is using what we called for decades "machines".
Hi Li! You said American mobilized all the wars. I hope they did not mobilize the following wars for you:
– http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War
– http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict
– http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
@li: "@USA is the source of crime, war, death, invasion, terrorism. from 1950~2013".
If you Chinese knew that why Deng, Hu, and Xi have been said US and China should be "friend, multual interests etc..."
Are you contradict with what you china gets? Or one hand learn the "bad things" the other hand "stealing" to get even?
Before 1970, the Vietnamese Gov always admitted all the islands inside the nine-dotted line are the territory of China, in any media, in newspapers, map, textbooks.
on June 15, 1956，deputy foreign affairs minster firmly said that, all the islands belonged to China early in Song Dynasty ( from 960-1279). you can find the newspaper in Vietnam.
on Sept 6~14, 1958, Vietnamese Premier Phạm Văn Đồng noted Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai that Vietnam admitted the islands (South Sa and West Sa ) are the territory of China, and it economic areas (12 sea miles). you can find the newspaper in Vietnam.
On May 9, 1965, th VN Gov. once again admitted firmly that the West sa belongs to China. it was responded to the American President John ??. sorry I do not know the name of the president.
On May 13, 1969, the People's Daily (Bao Nhan Dan) reported that An American military plane invaded the West Sa of China. the similary reports were seen in many times in VN newspapers.
The VN Maps also admitted the fact that the South China Sea belongs to China. you can see the World Map in 1960 in VN, the World Maps collection in 1972, and the textbooks in 1974 in Vietnam. they all clearly marked the West Sa and South Sa belong to China.
After 1975, because the oil found in South China Sea, the VN Gov began to change its stand, and occupied more 30 islands, the later conflicts happened in later 1970's, 1980,s are all caused by the invasion of Vietnam.
Stop copy n paste your comment all over CNN, chink...There were 2 governments in Vietnam before 1975, like North and South Korea.
Why did you copy and paste these nonsense sentences so many times? You worked so hard but you should accept the truth. China is also working so hard (like you) to steal everything from her neighbors. Therefore, she seems to lose the support from many people around the world because of her bad behaviors, cruel actions and illogical thoughts.
The Vietnamese people would be greatly appreciated if the Chinese government could bring those evidences to the International Court Of Justice. But remember to stack more as we will also bring a lot of evidences and arguments. Please do not run away like what you did with the Philippines!
Wow, I'm your big fan li; and of course, I've got a great admiration to chinese media and chinese government; admire the way they popularize their people; they told the truth to their people in the way that the rest of the world can not understand
To @Li, your repeated pasting means your stupid of providing arguments
He is just a big mouthpiece for China's communist party.....just a pain in the butt and an empty head with no brain!
Here is an article from BBC talking about these Chinese nutters who have been paid to sway public debating to their master- Chinese government. You will know the truth and no need to tell Li off , just kick his ass....Li is one these nutters.
China's internet 'spin doctors'
By Michael Bristow
BBC News, Beijing
Chinese internet cafe
Controlling views expressed on the internet is a challenge for authorities
China is using an increasing number of paid "internet commentators" in a sophisticated attempt to control public opinion.
These commentators are used by government departments to scour the internet for bad news – and then negate it.
They post comments on websites and forums that spin bad news into good in an attempt to shape public opinion.
Chinese leaders seem aware that the internet – the only public forum where views can be freely expressed – needs close attention.
China's Communist Party leaders have long sought to sway public opinion by controlling what the media can report.
I dont know which lands belong to but i see the chinese gov acts as an uncivilized group.
Hello you all from Vietnam, thank you for your support and sorry for my English :p
I just want to say that China is a big country, United State is a big country and Vietnam is a small country, it's a fact. Vietnamese know that, and that is why we want peace, we want to become friend with people all around the world, and we will give everything to protect the peace. We know you want it too.
We just want you to come to our beautiful country, eat our food, and we will welcome you as our best friend. Thank you, have a nice day!
Both the french and americans did come to your country. In fact, they badly wanted to stay. Why did you accept china's help to kick them out ?
You should check the historical situation at these moments . At that time we wanted the independence and we thought China was one of our close friend. Vietnam and China are Asian countries so we have shared some similar cultures and living customs for a long time. Vietnam is a friend to every country around the world but that does not mean that Vietnam will give our mainland and sea to other countries (France, China, USA, ...) as a gift. Your country will do the same ^_^. It is very easy to understand!
I can understand you base on your point of view. I'm sorry to say this, but at that moment, what France and US have done to our country is even worse than China right now.
As I've said, we want you to come to Vietnam as friends, we don't want your army.
Coming as a friend is different than coming as a conqueror, is that so hard to understand?
Vietnam might be a small country but it has always successfully repelled foreign invasions throughout its history. If China thinks that it can bully Vietnam now, it has not reviewed its own history then.
As first South Vietnam President Ngo Dinh Diem only wanted US to help South VietNam without US troops because he knew the North VietNam used this reason to invade the South Vietnam unfortunate US did not listen:
The Viet Commies "fought to invade the South VietNam FOR China and Russia" Le Duan said. Now Viet Commies learn a lesson to beg US once was "enemy"
US ambassador interview below.
Interviewer:
Nolting:
[sync]President Diem ha... excuse me. President Diem had, in my opinion, uh ve...Start again?
[sync]Yes.
Nolting:
[sync]Uh, President Diem had, in my opinion, a very deep insight into the character and psychology of his own people. And I think one of the things that governed many of his judgments was his sense that nationalism on the part of the South Vietnamese was going to be the major strength of their resistance to what he characterized, strangely enough, as another foreign, Chinese-type invasion. This dates way back... hundred, a thousand... thousands of years. He would make speeches to the, to groups of peasants talking about this new invasion under a garb of a new ideology, communism.
[sync]Uh, it wasn't against the North Vietnamese people, it was against what eh... Ho Chi Minh was trying to impose on South Vietnam. His insight carried so far, I think, that uh... he did not want to have an overwhelming American influence and uh, he feared an overwhelming American influence, that was one of the reasons he didn't want American combat force. Uh... he was... to my mind prescient in, in, in this un, uh... Some people blamed him for being too nationalistic, particularly some of our press. Uh, I think he was right. I think that his uh... understanding of his own people was much greater than ours.
Interviewer:
[sync]Let's do it once again and bring in the Taylor-Rostow report. If you just mention that in connection.
Nolting:
[sync]Um hm. In connection with the Taylor-Rostow report, I think most parts of that report concerning as I said, economic aid and, as well as a military shield of Vietnamese forces to protect gains in economic field and the social, educational, and the rest... uh... he was entirely, eh, President Diem was entirely agreeable and enthusiastic. I think the reason he was unenthusiastic about the five thousand man American force was for the reasons I've just said, namely that uh, uh, he did not think that uh American influence ought to be exerted in the military sense. And one good reason for that was because uh... it exposed him to Communist propaganda.
[sync]The Viet Cong would immediately have said, look, you're just going back to the, to the French occupation again. And this they couldn't, he didn't want. I remember his getting advice from a number of people in his own cabinet and, and his brothers. I remember Archbishop Thuc, for one, saying he thought the President was exactly right on this point. He read the people's psychology the same way. Said, in effect, he thought it would be a bonanza for the Viet Cong.
Your English is pretty good. Please continue fighting for the freedom of Viet Nam from all foreign invasion and harassment. No country, super power or not, can invade another country in this 21st century.
100% of Vietnamese will fight for our country, but it's will be easier and less bloodshed with the help from people who love peace all around the world like you. Thank you for your support, sir!
hungthien9394, you want other countries to come to VietNam as friends, that's good, but when they threaten Vietnam's independence or try to take your land and water, you should fight all you can, with all your blood and soul, to defend the country form foreign invasions. Sure, Vietnamese are peace-loving people, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF VIETNAMESE INDEPENDENCE, FREEDOM, LAND AND WATER,. The Vietnamese ancestors had fought with their lives to protect the country, so you cannot let foreign force take it away! Please always remember, you can only be friend with those who wants to be your friends, you need to be aware of those who pretend to be your friend but always try to take things from you, or harm your country. YOU NEED TO DISTINGUISH CLEARLY WHO IS YOUR FRIEND AND WHO IS YOUR ENEMY. You're nice to your friend but fight fiercely against your enemy. That is the only way to survive and protect your land! NEVER FORGET IT!
Keep calm my friend, peace have its price and I know that, and I will fight for my country till I die. However, war is always the last option.
This current president of China, Xi Jinping, is Hitler of the 21st century. He wants to invade other Asian countries and conquer Asia, He wants to practice imperialism in ASIA. He thinks China is more superior than any other country in the world, even more than the US, therefore he is becoming more and more aggressive, bullying his neighboring countries shamelessly, trying to illegally grab land and water that belong to other countries. Chinese people, please do not fall into the trap of this president, and support his conquering ambition, it will only lead to China's destruction. Please remember what happened to the countries that were involved in the conquering from World War 2: They were ALL defeated. I hope there are still some Chinese people out there who love peace and reasoning.
You are telling the truth
China is the most hated country in the world right now
Yes.i think so,too
China is disgusting can someone just nuke them please
Please stop replying to Li, as he/she is just a parrot who can only repeat what was taught in Chinese schools. Li is no different than all Chinese officials, including China's spokesman, who keep throwing out lies after lies about the events in the affected area without regard to viewers' intelligence.
CHINA GOVERMENTMENT, ITS MEDIA AND OFFICIALS ARE SHAMELESS LIARS!
I concur. They have been making false claims without a single photo showing the relatively tiny Vietnamese fishing boat's trying to "ram" the gigantic Chinese oil rig. Do they think other people could be as stupid as they are to believe that?
The Chinese are very good at fabricating fake stuff. In fact, it's their nature to LIE, STEAL, CHEAT, and COPY. Like the most destructive insects, the Chinese reproduce in large number and are becoming more annoyingly destructive every day!
Take a look at this link to learn more about the China Threat
http://deathbychina.com/
If we find many Chinese maps made by Chinese themselves before 1950s, their southern border was just to Hai Nan Island? What is ridiculous that China claims 80% of South China Sea to be their territory? Do you know what their next steps are? to claims 80% of the world belonging to China.
Soon China will claim America belong to China, and demand America to be theirs.
America better than China 100 times. Asia love America, all ASEAN countries love America. America must come back to Asia to restore the order and kick China out.
And China wonders why there are so much violence against them....
Mar 1 – Kunming train station knife attack – 29 civilians killed
Mar 8 – Malaysian Airlines Flight 70 – 152 Chinese nationals missing
April 15 (approx) – 3 communist party officials knifed to death in Xinjiang, bodies dumped in
lake. President Xi visiting area at the time.
May 2 (approx) – 2 individuals with bombs kill 1 in Urumqi, Xinjiang
May 15 – 10 Chinese kidnapped in Nigeria by Boko Haram
May 15 (approx) – 31 Chinese nationals killed in bomb blasts in Xinjiang
May: 21 Chinese nationals murdered in Vietnamese anti-Chinese protests.
So you are promoting terrorism? Well, didnt expect any better from a terrorist rogue country.
I respect Chinese people and their culture but I don't like the way Chinese government distorts the history by their propaganda tools to fool their own people. They always mentioned 1958 note by North Vietnam prime minister Pham Van Dong in such a way that makes the audience misunderstand the situation.
First of all, in 1958 there were still 2 countries which were North Vietnam and South Vietnam. In the 1958 note, the North VN prime minister, on behalf of North Vietnam government, only noted and supported China’s claim of its 12-nautical-mile territorial sea. He did not mention Paracel and Spratly islands in the historical context that Paracel and Spratly islands in practice were under the rule of South Vienam under Geneva Convention 1954, in which China were one of the signatory participants.
Secondly, there is no denying the fact that in 1974, China used military force to occupy the Paracel Islands. This act of aggression violated a peremptory norm of international law (jus cogens), prohibiting the use of force in international relations as provided in Article 2(4) of the UN Charter.
Moreover, China’s statements that there is no dispute over the Paracel Islands are contrary to what has been acknowledged by China’s leaders. For example, in September 1975, the then deputy prime minister, Deng Xiaoping, told the then first secretary-general of the Vietnam Workers’ Party, Le Duan, that the two sides (Vietnam and China) had different opinions about the Paracel and Spratly islands, which would be resolved through negotiations. This statement was recorded in the Chinese Foreign Affairs Ministry’s aide memoire dated May 12, 1988.
Chinese government please stop distorting the history.
I am agree with you 99.99% 🙂
Umm...does proximity to these islands matter? It's 130 miles from the closest Paracel island to China's Hainan Island. It's 190 miles from the closest Paracel Islands to a couple of islands off the east coast of Vietnam just north of Quang Ngai. Just a thought.
Yes people let the hate flow through your body. Imma watch you dougs bark while enjoying my popcorn.
Eh... Someday, if you done some innocent things exactly like what you are doing right now in cruise ship that enter South Chinese Sea, you could have to pay fee for Chinese's government. And its not that all. All stuffs you use daily bought in shop that will be charged more because they mostly Freighted through this sea. If Chinese Government success in this event against Vietnam, they will win very important first step to claim their concept South China Sea and the 11/10/9-dashed lines. What will you do my friend? pay money for what belongs to people in this Earth? everyone involved my friend. Wil you just sit comfortably in your chair? Ok, its up to you
Paracel have been defacto controlled by China for almost 40 years now, so who is the one that are trying to turn an undisputed area into a disputed area? I advice vietnamese government stop lying. Also southvietnamese government doesnt exist anymore the only government that Vietnam have are the then north vietnamese government, and that government have agreed on china is the rightful soverign owner of paracel islands, but as always the viet can NEVER be trusted, once they dont need chinas help anymore they turn and stabb in your back, as in history. So I say be quiet or be strong and brave, come with an army. Otherwise, cry me a river. US cant help your greed, in matter of fact, what can US do even if it decide to intervene? US still thinks it can defeat China somehow, reality is that it cant, it have no means to truely defeat china, and china will NOT back down in soverignity issue with a clearly hostile and greedy country that ignores open international promises with another nation. Shame on you.
Are you one of them? I think your comments are out of sort ...one way thinking from which you have been brainwashed to be an ignorant of international norms and mutual trusts...Read this opinion ....
China's internet 'spin doctors'
By Michael Bristow
BBC News, Beijing
Are you one these people of China?
Chinese internet cafe
Controlling views expressed on the internet is a challenge for authorities
China is using an increasing number of paid "internet commentators" in a sophisticated attempt to control public opinion.
These commentators are used by government departments to scour the internet for bad news – and then negate it.
They post comments on websites and forums that spin bad news into good in an attempt to shape public opinion.
To mjf : "Paracel have been defacto controlled by China for almost 40 years now, so who is the one that are trying to turn an undisputed area into a disputed area?" --> You, China, did use your muscle to occupy our island, remember? How can you rob something from other then you say "It's in my hand for a long time, so it's mine" ? Robbery is always robbery, that is undisputed!
Yes, my dear little Chinese friend. I understand what you are now trying to say. To be honest, I am really feeling sorry for you and the other brainwashed Chinese.
You have been brainwashed very well so that you don't have the ability to understand the different between "right" and "wrong". Some other words like "enough" and "shame" also do not exist in your Chinese language.
You can not go to your neighbors, kill some of their family members, rob them. The funny thing is: 40 years later, you try to come again, try to kill and rob them again. As usual, they all know that you are the greedy monster. They should also not easily be trapped by you to get into a war with you. They just start to tell the world about the truth and what you have been doing. And now, the best thing is: You, the shameless Chinese – stay there and keep saying to the world: "Paracel have been defacto controlled by China for almost 40 years now, so who is the one that are trying to turn an undisputed area into a disputed area?"
To help yourself:
1. Step: Try to avoid showing the other your endless stupidity
2. Step: Go to the Pre-School with other children around the world (not the Chinese) and learn from them the good things to understand some simple definitions like: "right", "wrong", "shame", "enough", "ask to have – not rob or kill to get" blah blah...
3. Step: If all the first two steps should not work. Go get a color pen and draw some called "ceases" on you flat brain and then repeat from the step 1.
To mjf: we Vietnamese never want to come with an army unless our enemy force us to. But you Chinese for thousands years have been coming with army to Vietnam, just to be kicked in the ass and have to run away. Could you for your own sake learn just one lesson of thousand s lessons from the past?
When it comes to China's politicians, watch what they do – and don't believe anything they say. They are all liars and crooked !
Yes, my dear little Chinese friend. I understand what you are now trying to say. To be honest, I am really feeling sorry for you and the other brainwashed Chinese.
You have been brainwashed very well so that you don't have the ability to understand the different between "right" and "wrong". Some other words like "enough" and "shame" also do not exist in your Chinese language.
You can not go to your neighbors, kill some of their family members, rob them. The funny thing is: 40 years later, you try to come again, try to kill and rob them again. As usual, they all know that you are the greedy monster. They should also not easily be trapped by you to get into a war with you. They just start to tell the world about the truth and what you have been doing. And now, the best thing is: You, the shameless Chinese – stay there and keep saying to the world: "Paracel have been defacto controlled by China for almost 40 years now, so who is the one that are trying to turn an undisputed area into a disputed area?"
To help yourself:
1. Step: Try to avoid showing the other your endless stupidity
2. Step: Go to the Pre-School with other children around the world (not the Chinese) and learn from them the good things to understand some simple definitions like: "right", "wrong", "shame", "enough", "ask to have – not rob or kill to get" blah blah...
3. Step: If all the first two steps should not work. Go get a color pen and draw some called "ceases" on you flat brain and then repeat from the step 1.
dont bullshxt sth else just foucs on the debate
show your evidences,establish your point of view,or just shut up
or you can tell CNN to contiune to deleting chinese user's relies and leave only vietnam and other china haters craps
poor little cowards
China might be a superpower but if there is going to be a war think about it this way. China due to their 1 child law eventhough they have numbers and if the government wants to go to war, their people might not like the idea of it. Chinese going to war and having their only sons die and no one to carry on their family name. They might be all talk now but their people won't support a war.
"All this on the basis of claims to history that conveniently ignore the very existence of other peoples and their histories of seafaring and trading going back 2,000 years, and pre-dating China's ventures in the south sea and beyond. Indonesians got to Africa and colonised Madagascar more than 500 years before Zheng He. In turn, the peoples of Southeast Asia absorbed more from India and the Islamic world than China.
In the case of the current issue with Vietnam, brought about by China's movement of a drillship into waters due east of Danang, China has a small case, in that it does now own the Paracel Islands, which are closer to the drill location than to Vietnam. But the islands themselves have long been in dispute between the two, a matter settled for now by China's unprovoked invasion of them in 1974"
http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1514360/beijings-dangerous-arrogance-south-china-sea
All China's sea claims are wrapped up in that nine-dash line which extends more than 1,000 nautical miles from the coasts of Guangdong and Hainan to close to Borneo, the island shared by Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei, and includes almost all the sea between Vietnam and the Philippines. This claim encompasses more than 90 per cent of the sea, even though China (including Taiwan) has only about 20 per cent of the coastline.
All this on the basis of claims to history that conveniently ignore the very existence of other peoples and their histories of seafaring and trading going back 2,000 years, and pre-dating China's ventures in the south sea and beyond. Indonesians got to Africa and colonised Madagascar more than 500 years before Zheng He. In turn, the peoples of Southeast Asia absorbed more from India and the Islamic world than China.
In the case of the current issue with Vietnam, brought about by China's movement of a drillship into waters due east of Danang, China has a small case, in that it does now own the Paracel Islands, which are closer to the drill location than to Vietnam. But the islands themselves have long been in dispute between the two, a matter settled for now by China's unprovoked invasion of them in 1974.
I'm Hung, I'm from VietNam. I hope peace for all person in world. Sure we will take up arms if invaded !
Fair Dinkum
what are you going to do with me ahh?
burn me like burning a witch in middle age? your old tradition ahh?
let me tell you the turth
the CNN is deleting my posts so hard that it is just like a machine under totalitarianism !
what kind of a speech freedom !
answer the dissents by just blocking their big mouth ???
China is a pathological liar
China lies about everything
There's nothing true from any Chinese mouth
Down with bullying China
Down width China's expansionism
We, Vietnamese, love peace : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1H-ifDC8U0
There's no valid reason for China to place the oil rig HD 981 in the Vietnamese waters prescribed by UNCLOS
In fact, China's provocative act upset the Vietnamese population and sparked storm of criticism worldwide.
China's invasion of Vietnamese waters seriously violated the international law of the sea.
China's escalating acts in the South East Sea are illegal.
China's expansionism is totally wrong and unacceptable.
Shame on China.
Shame on China.
China is uneducated and uncivilized.
No good thing comes from China.
Chinese culture is in fact a culture of lying and stealing.
That explained why China is best at stealing and lying.
Shame on China.
Being Chinese is shameful and embarrassing.
Thank you, Liz, very much for your intellectual support....we need people like you to speak up louder and louder against Chinese who have been brainwashed to support their government doing wrong things with an ill-intention of justifying their so-called genuine claims of sovereignty on these islands.
Your comments made me feel exactly what I wanted to express as well but not that easy....We need people like you in the West most to point out the truth, and all these bad characteristics of Chinese, especially Chinese government from its politicians, military staff, undercover personnels at mainland and overseas, to its one-sided students based in the West.
Please ask your friends to join in with us to fight this unjust cause from China....
Cheers.
I would like to invite everyone to read and watch this video clip
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/04/01/merkel_map_message_china
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBhfDatf96Q&w=640&h=360]
CNN is deleting chinese user's relies and leave only vietnam and other china haters craps
shame on you little poor....
You are a nut!
Why don't you double check with your Chinese government to make sure that they did not block your message, before blaming CNN?
Sorry Nutty! I did not mean to make you panic but wished you to see things in the right perspectives so that you can report back to your narrow-minded people and your aggressive government : the world can see what is happening in the South Sea and what China wants....but not to forget that it's not right to steal other's properties like "black gold" for China's economy and to look after her own people's survivals at the expense of other countries' and their own citizens' welfare...
You are free to write what you like here but with correct facts and proved evidences to make people here convinced and agreed with your ideas....not repeating what your government, military personnels, and Communist party members preach....
I'm not like your friend or your native speaker – Shang ( Chinese is rude, his name) – talking down to people further above with insufficient command of English. In your case, you should correct your nickname 'I'm not a nut'. One nut, more than two nuts, three nuts....Did you see the difference in English grammar?
With my friendly note as such, I hope you feel better.
i am not speaking English i am speaking chinglish you fool
Do you know nothing about our history? – VietNam
I thought my words would help you think better than become more offensive, very much to tell how bad the Chinese.......A fool may be smarter than the Han Chinese as he never let the other nations run his life as to what the Mongolian and Manchurian took over China and forced the Han under their controls – you have forgotten your ancestors with long hair like ponytails. I feel no need to say sorry anymore to you. It seems to me you are still very immature and rude in the way you wrote here. It is not a slanging match...You should understand how to use language with colour and its inner meanings....Ciao.
I know why CNN deleted your words, "I am not nuts" ^_^. Your words showed the typical behaviors of China. China is an EVIL liar!!!
Fair Dinkum
I really dont understand what you are trying to talking about and I dont care
BTW,dont show off your english anymore because it wont work for me
obviously you are not from a english-speaking country , your english looks pretty weird.
"I am not nuts": You should behave in a nice and intellectual way. Your comments reflect your mentality and impact the image of your country. Share this advice to your Chinese fellows.
nice and intellectual way?
you mean deleting all chinese fellows's comments to keep them silent?
and let the viets and other china hater p and s aroud
what a nice and intellectual way !!!
you know what, i am sick of you double-standard hypocrites
i used to be nice to post my long comments here and none of them got availble to be showed
but once i become "rude",the censor system of CNN started to let me speak
so why not i become "rude", its all as your wish.
impact the image of my country??
dont be joky fellow
my country have no image here, so what can make it worse?
how can i worry about?
how can china worry about?
be easy man, its for fun right?
So you don't want to be rude, but you are rude beacuse they want you to be rude, right? Oh yeah, then who is the winner and who is the loser?
"The Paracel Islands is a group of islands controlled by the People's Republic of China and claimed by Taiwan and Vietnam. The Paracel Islands consist of two island groups: the Amphitrite Group in the northeast and the Crescent Group. The People's Republic of China took the Amphitrite Group in 1950 from the Nationalists during the Chinese Civil War and the Crescent Group from South Vietnam in the Battle of the Paracel Islands in January 1974. South Vietnam's claim to the islands was inherited by the Socialist Republic of Vietnam."
@Li : you should keep your country's face, don't make it worse and worse by the way you are currently doing here. be a polite commentator. Also send this message to your government.
Dog China....hehe
dog shxt viets
china may be selfish on the islands issue but i do think its ok because everybody is selfish
vietnam is selfish too, the Greece claimed the control rights of the whole Aegean Sea but thats
not a problem of bullying and bullied.
the point is china never place themself on the moral highground like some hypocrites often do.
and the point of finding the key resolving the present problem is to build some kind of balance,
which means,the vietnam has build hundreds of oil wells on the sea and china didnt even own one,
the international community shouldnt be blind for this and blame china on breaking the so-called
"balance".
Selfish? Being Chinese is shameful and embarrassing
You obviously have no sense of international law. International law does not say that if a neighbouring country has hundred oil rigs in their territory then you can also have some IN THEIR TERRITORY.
prove those are yours first.
as for oil wells building ,you know its not china who started it , its vietnam started it first
just the reverse, china asked to suspend dispute and joint develop
its vietnam who break the agreement and started to build oil wells on the disputed districts
like i said
the vietnam has build hundreds of oil wells on the disputed sea and china didnt even own one
this is a basic fact
You are the one who need to prove it's yours. Why don't you ask yourself why so many international oil companies are working with Vietnam to drill hundreds oil wells, but no single company bid for the block you are driliing now, and you have to dig it yourself?
If you don't know where is your border, better ask the German Chancelor:
http://time.com/46414/angela-merkel-xi-jinping-china-germany-map/
lets make it simple,viets
in the late 1970s and 1980s the US didnt do that just because China were their "Friends" and you were their "Enermy"
and they wont say Anything bad to their "Friends or Allies" even if their "Friends or Allies" were Inglourious Basterds
in 1970s and 1980s there were bloody fights between the two countries on the sea.
but why US didnt say that was a problem, china was a big bully and you deserved sympathy?
why dont they chatter anything they are chattering today ?
Do you mean in 1970s and 1980s you could manage to rob the islands from us because US did not say a thing? So now you want to rob again and supprise that US do not allow you to do that?
China, largest gang in the world
To all American: be careful when a chinese is around, because:
"there two kind of chinese in the world,
one like licking ass of amercian,the other like kicking ass of amercian"
(quoted from a post of "i am not a nuts")
i'm sure,if the vietnamese is smart enough，they should know that what they got from the cooperation with china would be much more than they got from the confrontation with china.
Yes, we are smart enough to know that cooperation is better than confrontation, not only with China but with any other country. But we will not pay for cooperation with price of sovereignty. We can lose everything we have but not our territory. We have been protecting it for thousands years and will continue to protect it from any invader, no matter how strong it is.
Well said !
Same for us. We will not lose our territory (all right, I know in your view it is yours,).
Actually, I think 'your territory' is also claimed by Malaysia and/or Philippine. If China were a European country and had nothing to do with the south sea, 'your territory' will be still challenged by other nations.
To FC: The diffenrence between China and other countries in ASEAN who have sea border disputes is we (including China) have signed DOC and all ASEAN contries respect what they sign, while China just sign and then throw your own the signature into trash bin.
And how can it be your territory if you gained control via a military campaign in 1974 to kick out the legal owner which was Republic of Vietnam – a member of UN at that time?
To your first question: Since you know there are different views among China/Vietnam/Malaysia/Philippine, why are you so sure the territory is 'yours'? You think it is yours, the same for us, we believe it is ours. Each party is trying their best to protect their rights, but I personally against any war between any nations.
(As for 'trash bin' problem you mentioned, I just want to be honest that I am not too sure. I did not read the details of the treaty. Maybe you are right, or maybe each party including Vietnam is just interpreting the treaty in their own favor.)
To your second question: what if you illegally occupied that territory and we just took that back? Alright, I know in your view you think opposite, let's just ignore this issue for now.
If China were a European country and had nothing to do with the south sea, 'your territory' may still be illegal because Malaysia/Philippine and ROC Taiwan all claimed that.
Finally, many innocent Chinese people died in the riot in Vietnam weeks ago, let's mourn for them.
Viet,
The chinese ruled vietnam for 1,000 years in your thousands of years.........
To FC: "what if you illegally occupied that territory and we just took that back": Your "If" remaines to be "if" because it have never happen. History did not record anything like that. History only records that Vietnamese have been rulling Paracel Islands peacefully and legally for long time until 1974 when China used military force to kill many solder of Republic of Vietnam to gain control of Paracel Island, and it's a serious violation of international law.
Fact is at that time, Republic of Vietnam was administering Paracel Islands according to San Francisco treaty after WWII as well as Geneva Accord which PR China is one of signatories.
I bet that you can not show any fact that Vietnam gain control of Paracel Island via an action that violate international law.
So, I think you tried very hard to misslead readers that China and Vietnam are in the same position in this dispute. But fact is fact and you can not deny. I don't think you should try harder but rather accept the fact that China is a robber.
I was just trying to be polite and to show respect to a Vietnam person, so I tried hard to speak like a person from a third party. It is just a matter of facts that there are multiple claims on the south sea at the moment, there is no misleading in it. If you were from Malaysia or Philippine or ROC or PRC, isn't it same that you will think the Vietnam's claim is funny and bullying?
Also, I want to assure you that I never tried to mislead anyone. The territory belongs to China, INDISPUTABLE! There is NO same position in this issue between China and Vietnam. But as a matter a fact, I pointed out there are multiple claims at the moment. Even if China were a European country, Vietnam's claim may still be WRONG!
Also, please be aware: 1. China did not sign San Francisco treaty; 2. A few years of ILLEGAL occupation of the islands by France do NOT imply Vietnam can claim the islands by the Geneva Accords.
To FC: The whole world knows that in Jan 1974, China used millitary forces to attacked South of Vietnam (a member of UN at that time) to gain control of Paracel Island from South of Vietnam. This action is a sever violation of and is unacceptable by international law
You argued that you just take it BACK. If you take it BACK, it means that the islands must belong to you before that. So can you answer people few questions: Since when before 1974 did China lost control of Paracel Island to South of Vietnam (So you have to take it BACK)? And if it did happen, how did it happen, via which action, by whom,is it peacefully settled, or forcefully?
Give me the fact with time and record, then we will see who is reasonable.
Chinese government should stop the dream of being Lord of World. Now is the 21st century, not the period when people use muscle to take the place of others.
Thus, Chinese Government should accept the court as the way of dealing with this dispute. Otherwise, they are just coward!
I think it is a fact that China is a big country while neighbour countries are comparably small, geographically . I mean isn't it a fact that no one can deny. The Chinese Former Foreign Minister were saying the fact, and he didn't mean politically big or small.
Just a reminder to all of you...Tibet? If you donot know what China did to Tibet, Google it. Shame on you if you think China did the right thing for Tibet....
China has been trying take over Vietnam for thousand of years..They failed in the past and they are at it again.......if you think you are more advance than those Vietnamese in term of technology, google the history of 2 countries, read up, digest the information, and then post your comment. If you donot get it, donot post your comment because you will show your stupidity....
It is so funny when a non-english speaking person thinks he/she writes better than another non-english speaking person.
Vietnamese is like a quiet thief, they invade the land territory from Loas and Cambodia silently since long time go until now.
Thousand years ago, no country didn't invade the weaker countries. It was normal at that time. You should understand that Lamorn if you have studied high school programme. China also did the same but they never tell you all. Maybe that's why it is a very big country now. Vietnam was one of the countries that China tried many times in thousand years to invade (but fortunately, China was a loser). But now we are in the modern century, we can not accept the fact that a big country invades a smaller country.
God has eyes to see those bad invading actions that Vietnam has done to neighboring countries.
So do you have any clip about the invasion of China to other countries, especially Vietnam? You should post them as well. That will be much fairer. Or maybe because you are a loser in the war with Vietnam, you are not brave enough to mention about that and your country dare not teach you about this war in schools.
I am Vietnamese and I have a;ready known that some parts of Vietnam belong to Cambodia or Lao but these invasions happened thousand years ago. Now Lao and Cambodia don't say anything about that because they respect the history. Not like China, she tries to be friendly to her neighbors from the past to now and then plans to invade them. So it is not your responsibility to talk about Lao or Cambodia. Just look and study more about your China and her current perverse actions! You should feel ashamed of your country!
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0NXK-qWptQ&w=640&h=360]
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0DVhiIz8_U&w=640&h=360]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Vietnamese_invasion_of_Laos
Actions speak louder than words... Anyone who acts bad, will get bad....
So you are saying because Vietnam did something bad in Laos (in your view), then China can steal oil from Vietnam. That's very good argument (lol). But I thought China is a big and honest country and don't do bad things like that?
Lamorn, just answer me one question. Did China do anything bad in the past? Dare you say NO? I wonder when China will get bad things back and look forward to that moment as well :)))))))))))))))
This is a new evidence to prove that China is a great liar. Few days ago, China denied to sink Vietnamese fishing boat. Fortunately, another fishermen used his phone to firm this moment and sent it to Vietnamese authority.
So some Chinese fools, please look at this clip and judge your own country's behavior again! China proved herself as a big liar and coward in front of the world!
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeNGFqDaC04&w=640&h=360]
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